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| Imagine again, the Predator, with a speargun, and also his auto-targetting PPC. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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just got alot harder for da' chief. would a spear penetrate his shields and armor? I know they pack a punch, but it seems they would have a tougher time with the shields, being a non-plasma projectile.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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True but the speargun is concidred a sniper weapon for the Predator.
I don't remember seeing it used in the movies, and I never played the games. but according to description the spreargun...
| Quote: | | is the predator's sniper weapon. It fires small and extremely sharp metal pieces. It's a good weapon for long range sniping since the sharp projectile can reach extremely high velocities and linear trajectories. These characteristics also make it a piercing weapon. Culturally hunting with it is of little or no honour, being mostly used to reduce numbers and isolate the main prey. |
Small projectile, huge velocity, armor piercing, almost perfect trajectory... you got the modern sniper rifle... I do not know if the Predaotrs use gunpowder or another explosive reaction to fire the shot or they do it mechanically. They are able to minaturize plasma weaponry to long range and very effective weapons the size of a forearm at most, so why not miniaturize a medieval ballista to that size?
Anyway the effects seem identicle to modern sniper rifles. The sniper rifle in Halo seems to have identicle effects (extremely accurate, instant kill sans shields) so the speargun would seem more like an equal to the sniper rifle in all respects. Two shots torso or one shot head and MC is down. However I believe the Predaotr armor is far weaker and covers less area. MC with a sniper could dish out a world of hurt. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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what about in a melee fight? Plasma sword vs Combistick (or wristblades, but combistick has more reach). Predator would have a better reach, but the sword can bite through any known metal, real fast.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Plasma Sword... hrm... big and visible.
Wristblades + cloak = a good time. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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yah, predator could just sneak up behind him and spear him in the back. he'd better not step on any twigs tho or he'll find himself in two pieces on the floor.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| True, but that's why you usually don't go into melee. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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master chief should probly stick with long to medium range.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| No shit sherlock. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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This topic is going nowhere, fast.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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would the flood pose any danger to the pred, i mean if they swarm at him, cuz the flood is somewhat simmilar to the Alien in military tactics, so would a pred be prepared for a flood swarm?
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Correction, the flood merely overwhelm thier enemies. The xenomorphs ambush and stalk.
The pred's plasma weapons are not effective, and his other weapons minus the remote bomb and self destruct are useless. He would be overwhelmed and would need to set of /nukedaflood. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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what if he just cloaked himself and ran away. them flood aint too bright...
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:54 am Post subject: |
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Ok, about the Speargun, it is extremely powerfull. I once played AvP via LAN, we both were Preds... and I nailed the other guy to the wall. You can really shoot at someone's head, then the head would be simply ripped off... it's so cool. He respawned again and he said to me: "Hey, look what I found, dangling on the wall..." It was his own head...
Anyhoo, you said the Plasma Sword could cut through any know metal... well, in Predator 2 they examined a spear dart of the Pred and it didn't contain a single trace of any known metal... 
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Anyhoo, you said the Plasma Sword could cut through any know metal... well, in Predator 2 they examined a spear dart of the Pred and it didn't contain a single trace of any known metal... |
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| Simon_Says wrote: | | Sorry, but you are stupidly ignoring the evidence. It doesn't matter why, or if it's possible. We see MC flipping a tank over. It's canon evidence. You can't disagree without deserving public humiliation and a good spanking. |
I know i may get booed for replying to this but i have rebtals:
1. You dont really know the gravitational force on halo, so taht doesnt mean that MC will be able to flip a tank on earth or other earth size planets where the pred duke it out with MC, so i still stand-by my assumption that MC should have equal strenght to the pred.
2. It has been drawn to my attention that MC is genetically enhanced, which is ok by me, but the level of genetic undersatnding and manipulation is not known and compared to the level of undersatnding and manipulation taht made a space marine (Warhammer 40K for those not familiar with them, and surly could flip over a scorpion) is very limited and "primitive"
now yall can boo me
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Boo you!!!
If the gravitational shit on that planet is so much different than the one on earth, and thus enabling MC to flip over a tank, than he's a lousy jumper... if you get what I mean...
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| Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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Master chief jumps the EXACT same hight on Earth as he does on a Halo. The predator is probably about the same strength as the chief.
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| Quote: | | . It has been drawn to my attention that MC is genetically enhanced, which is ok by me, but the level of genetic undersatnding and manipulation is not known and compared to the level of undersatnding and manipulation taht made a space marine (Warhammer 40K for those not familiar with them, and surly could flip over a scorpion) is very limited and "primitive" |
1.Carbide ceramic ossification: advanced material grafting into skeletal structures to make bones virtually unbreakable.
2.)Muscualr enhancement: protien complex is injected intramuscularly to increase tissue density and decrease lactse recovery time.
3.)Catalytic thyroid implant: platinum pellet containing human growth hormone catalyst is implanted in the thyroid to boost growth of skeletal and muscle tissues.
4.)Occipital capillary reversal: submergence and boosted blood vessel flow beneath the rods and cones of subject's retina. Produces a marked visual perception increase.
5.)Superconducting fibrication of neural dendrites: alteration of bioelectrical nerve transduction to shielded electronic transduction. Three hundred percent increase in reflexes. Increase in memory, intelligence, and creativity.
6.) The MJOLNIR battle armor: Theres alot of more technical stuff to write here but I'm getting tired of writing. Basically, it increases just about everything else 10 fold. You don't move the suit. It moves YOU. But then, you have to be augmented and enhanced to handle the suit. A normal man trying to move in the MJOLNIR battle armor would break his own bones under the strain. A man killed himself that way.
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First of all, compare Halo's gravity to Earth's gravity in Halo 2.
If you can answer this, please post. |
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| Wrist-bladesRus wrote: | | Simon_Says wrote: | | Sorry, but you are stupidly ignoring the evidence. It doesn't matter why, or if it's possible. We see MC flipping a tank over. It's canon evidence. You can't disagree without deserving public humiliation and a good spanking. |
I know i may get booed for replying to this but i have rebtals:
1. You dont really know the gravitational force on halo, so taht doesnt mean that MC will be able to flip a tank on earth or other earth size planets where the pred duke it out with MC, so i still stand-by my assumption that MC should have equal strenght to the pred.
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beleive me, I would really want to agree with you, but theres one thing you forgot, in halo 2, there is a level where we are on earth (the second and third) now in the third there is a tank, which is flippable...
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| Quote: | First of all, compare Halo's gravity to Earth's gravity in Halo 2.
If you can answer this, please post. |
My best guess is because he went from a Mark V MJOLNIR suit to a Mark VI. Just a better, slightly stronger suit, i suppose.
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If they could build Mjolnir suits that flip tanks over then why not just add some Ai into them and send them as remote controled sumobots? Makes one wonder...
Also, what was the best example fo the Predaotrs strength? Breaking the walls in AvP? They jsut smash into them due to thier large bulk and massive forces involved between the Pred and the Xeno, combined. If we can see the Pred flipping over a car that will be sufficient to say equal strength to MC.
I'm talking about fliping it over with a single big push. Not rocking back and forth or whatever. I normal human can flip over a jeep if he could just get the momentum.
Also, we're talking about MC in the suit. The combined strength is concidered. If MC in Mjolnir can flip a tank, then he can use that strength agsint a Predaotr who doesn't seem to have that kind of strength (and is almsot immpossible due to lack of artificial augmentations). Another triumph of canon analysis over the lesser cretins. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:00 am Post subject: |
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First of all i would like to say, WOW, dude Simon u know your stuff really well.
Second of all i would like to adress the quote:
| Simon_Says wrote: | First of all, compare Halo's gravity to Earth's gravity in Halo 2.
If you can answer this, please post. |
If the Halo's has a smaller mass than Earth than it means that it would have a smaller gravitational force on the objects that are on them. So unless u know the gravitational force on halo u cant really compare the weight of a Scorpion on Halo to the weight of a scorpion on Earth, even in both scenarios they are flipable, and MC jumps the same height in both places.
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| I'm for Master Chief! Predator sucks! |
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