Who watches the Watchmen?

Nron · Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:58 am Post subject:

Ah Rorschach. My childhood hero. Might explain why Im the way I am
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cfos · Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:46 am Post subject:

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Alternate Spideygal · Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject:

I seen it on Friday...with the exception of stupid ghetto ass black kids shouting that the movie was "wack" when they obviously have not read the book and couldn't comprehend what was going on in the movie...I loved it. I would go see it again if I could. Another thing that bugged me was that I went with a friend of mine who wanted to see the movie before reading the book. I personally thought that was extremely stupid. It's like going to see Spider-man without knowing who he is. It's like going to see the X-files movie when you've never seen an episode in your life.

I really wanted to talk to her about the book and I was fighting back telling her and explaining what was going on because she was confused for like half the movie. And every time I would attempt to explain something she would tell me not to...which bugged me a lot also because she's sitting there not knowing what was going on and she's now ruined from the book because of the ending. I don't know why she didn't just listen to me in the first place.

*rolls eyes*
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Aurelyn · Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:37 am Post subject:

While I agree with your statement in principle, Spidey, I think in the case of this movie, you were totally and unfairly fucked if you hadn't read the books. The director made no attempt to introduce any background or backstory to half of what was going on and by the end there were about a million characters kicking around that you might wonder where the hell they'd came from.

That said, I thoroughly enjoyed it, and full marks for unneccessary gore Smile

But I have read the books.
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Sal · Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 7:50 am Post subject:

Sal · Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:33 am Post subject:

screw the tough call. i saw it today and loved it.
i honestly didn't believe Snyder could pull off something as well thought out after that pompous juvenile slo-mo extravaganza 300. but oh did he deliver.

the obviously brilliant story aside, what touched me about the movie what that it was a full-fledged adult movie. bones break open, blood splatters around, people swear when emotions take over them and not just for the sake of it, naked males have penises, naked women have nipples, and first and foremost, people actually talk about why they'e fighting each other making it possible for us to see the point to all that's going on on the screen. for once, character development was not the director's dump stat.

and all the while i was aware that i'm only experiencing what are excerpts of the Watchmen full story, and kept thinking how amazing it will be to read the rest of it. it made the movie feel like only the beginning of a great adventure.
so that's my two cents.
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Frost · Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:10 pm Post subject:

So, Sal, you didn't like 300? Have you ever seen the graphic novel, because the material in the movie is straight out of the novel. In fact, it is the most faithful adaptation of a graphic novel that has ever been done, easily.

I'm not saying that you should like 300, I'm just saying that it is not Snyder's fault.
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cfos · Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject:

While there are some minor things I would have done/wouldn't have done, I felt th at the movie was good. Some scenes almost exactly ripped from the panels of the original. Others, well, it is a movie and if you cut some things out, you have to change other stuff.
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Azrael · Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject:

The biggest criticism of the film was the fact that it was so loyal to the source materiial. Apparentyl it was too difficult to follow for people unfamiliar with the story. I read it before the release of the film, but some of my friends did not, but I thought the opening credits montage did a good job at explaining the background of the story.

It was not a fast-paced film like the trailers made it appear, I wouldn't really call it an action film either, it had just as much action as the also well-made film and graphic novel V for Vendetta. Really the reception was polarizing, hate it or love it. As I said in my earlier post, I really liked it.
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I enjoyed it.

The music was a bit jarring and cacophonous, and I felt some parts did not even come close to the mood and feeling the original story was trying to capture.

That said, I was never bored, and Jackie Earle Haley got the character of Rorschach right on the money. Every line he delivered sent chills up my spine. He was the main driving force behind the movie.

I give it three and a half Hurms out of five.
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Sal · Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 5:02 am Post subject:

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Simon_Says · Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:37 pm Post subject:

Okay, I got the graphic novel. I haven't read it, and I haven't seen the movie. I haven't even looked at the damn wikipedia article. People keep saying that for people who are not familiar with the book, the movie's plot is impenetrable. I'm going to put that to the test.

First chance I get, I'm going to see it. I'll come back and reconstruct the basic plot as best I can. Hopefully it's going to be better than "Hans".
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Smiley · Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 12:08 am Post subject:

Definitely better than I expected, but still fell short in many areas.

PROS: The visuals were exciting and well executed. The many clever nostalgic details were great. Dude, there was Dave Bowie and Mick Jagger outside Studio 54! Seeing Lee Iacoca getting his sinues cleared out made me giggle. The opening scene with the Comdedian watching the friggin McLaughlin Group was priceless. My friend who went with me was born in 1984, so a lot of those little touches were completely lost on him, as they're sure to be for anyone of his age or younger. A lot of fantastic set dressing really brought the universe to life. Doc Manhattan looked perfect and was played to a tee. Jackie Earle Haley is an amazing actor; I doubt anyone could have more faithfully portrayed Rohrschach. Dan Dreiberg was properly fumbly yet competent.

Zach Snyder needs to give Chris Nolan some tips on filming fight scenes. The two Batman movies' action sequences were disjointed and disorienting, making them the only weak points in otherwise great films. The fights in Watchmen were done right. I never lost the sense of what was going on or where the characters were in space. The graphic nature of the violence was enjoyable, too.

CONS: First, the seemingly superhuman strength of everyone involved in a fight. Rohrshach jumping out of the window should have resulted in his legs being jacked up. Veidt shouldn't have been able to toss people around like rag dolls. Laurie and Dan both displayed exceptional agility and combat acuity which was so far outside the realm of believability that it was comedic. Weren't they out of practice for years? Considering that the story took place in an alternate reality, emphasis on reality, I was irked.

Secondly, as I said earlier in this thread before the movie came out, the costumes. They were way too Hollywood bullshit for me, like leftovers from Joel Schumacher's Batman travesties. The only characters which looked anything like they should've were the original Minutemen, Doc Manhattan and Rohrshach. The comedian would've looked better with the original leather "gimp" mask, but otherwise he was passable. The rest of them looked fucking ridiculous.

Thirdly, a few of the characterizations were ass. Adrian Veidt was portrayed as a smug, self-righteous asshole, not the smartest man in the world. He came across as a man who just seemed . . . slimy. If I hadn't known he was the "villain" from reading the book I would have known he was the villain because he's played as the filthy rich, incredibly smart guy in the giant tower in the center of town. He's bound to be the bad guy! C'mon! Sally Jupiter seemed far too forced, like she was a caricature of herself. And why did Rohrschach call Laurie "Ms. Jupiter" when she and Dan rescued him? Her name was Juspeczyk. Jupiter was her mom's snazzy pseudonym.

It was the little things that bothered me. They added up to a ho-hum adaptation. I wasn't even bothered by the giant squid being replaced with Doc Manhattan. But I was bothered that they never showed him at the White House protest making the crowd disperse, or making the television studio crowd go away. Or him and Laurie visiting Veidt in Antarctica. Or the fact that Dan and Laurie weren't incognito and visiting Sally at the end because the police never figured out who he was and stormed his Owlcave. So much material that rounded out the book was tossed aside. I know that it had to be done. A director has to pick apart a story and find the guts of it when filming an adaptation. But I still feel like it's a cheap knockoff.

As a movie which stands on its own terms, it was quite watchable. I give it a 4 out of 5. As an adaptation, I give it a 2.
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Aurelyn · Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:10 am Post subject:

But it should really be watched solely as a movie on its own merits, rather than an adaptation. Going down that road, there are very very few decent adaptations of books or graphic novels out there - it's difficult to translate from one medium to the other and there are always going to be issues that fans of a book will find with a movie adaptation. Remember the whole "Glorfindel" thing with LotR? For my part, I'm a huge fan of the comic, and I thoroughly enjoyed the movie - I think the characterisations were ass because the acting for the most part was terrible Smile

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Aramor · Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:32 am Post subject:

I'm gonna watch it tonight, so afterwards I'll read this topic.
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Azrael · Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 11:25 pm Post subject:

This review made me scowl at the asinine comments this woman is disgorging.
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Simon_Says · Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:06 am Post subject:

I find that any reviewer who reviews the content of media rather than it's quality is one who should be summarily ignored.
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Nron · Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:07 am Post subject:

Swinging blue willy! ( Very Happy

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Conman · Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:50 pm Post subject:

I open up by saying Nron is gay for staring at the blue swinging willy then adding a smiley.

Aurelyn · Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:13 am Post subject:

Actually, I do wonder why they made Doc Manhattan's wing-wong quite so big in the movie. I don't remember it being quite so in your face in the comics.
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Aramor · Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:32 am Post subject:

The only thing I noticed is that they slowly introduced his dongle into the movie. At first it was just nekkid blue butt, then slowly we saw his blue balls and wedding tackle more and more.
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Conman · Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 12:33 pm Post subject:

Has their ever been that much of a penis shown in a movie. I think it should win a award for it.

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