Alien vs Hydralisk

Simon_Says · Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject:

Wait, which space marines are we talking about? Theres about two million species of them.
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Bloo · Gender: Joined: 30 May 2006 Posts: 3131 Location: vertigo

The ones that apparently win all the time and don't suck as badly as William Heung at a baseball game.

Simon_Says · Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject:

The only space marines I've ever heard of that were any good were always portrayed on paper. Forever War, Starship Troopers, Dune, etc.
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Azrael · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:48 pm Post subject:

Simon_Says · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject:

Dude, compare the book and film versions of Starship Troopers. They're so dissimilar they probably couldn't even produce viable offspring.

-edit- Refering to the space marines, not the works themselves, though it's equally applicable to either understanding.

-redit- Typos.
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Azrael · Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:29 am Post subject:

Sir, I believe you have me at a disadvantage.
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Aramor · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:19 am Post subject:

Simon_Says · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject:

Aramor · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject:

Are you saying Space Marines didn't kill millions? Fuck that, in the war against the Tyranids they sacrificed entire planets so the Hive wouldn't get their hands on them. Planets with humans still on it.
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Simon_Says · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject:

Try three orders of magnitude above millions you ignoranus.
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Blaster · Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject:

Well, now that this thread has already mostly derailed, I can indulge myself.

I am about six books into the Horus Heresy series, and, though it is very well written, it is also pretty depressing. The writers certainly seem to express a dim view of human nature. I mean, I knew that in the 41st millennium, humanity is superstitious, xenophobic, cruel, and repressive, but I at least saw some kind of justification for that; they are best on all sides by enemies and chaos. But even in the 31st millennium, when humanity is "enlightened" and achieving its greatest accomplishments, they are still xenophobic, cruel, and repressive--just not superstitious yet.

Although there are certainly some likable characters, the overall smugness and chauvinism is appalling. The Emperor is a real prick if his goal is really to conquer the galaxy, no matter what. (Though The Emperor doesn't show up much, so it's hard to judge his character.) The way in which the various expeditions claim to approach a planet with peaceful intentions, yet only desire to conquer it, smacks of hypocrisy. And if some civilization should not want to be conquered, then their resistance is taken as an excuse to exterminate them.

I know, I know; it really is social commentary. But it's kind of hard to get into a book if the "good guys" are assholes, and anyone else is likely to die soon. Even a charismatic figure like Horus wouldn't hesitate to annihilate an opposing civilization (even before his corruption).

Moreover, there seems to be an overall message that creativity, free-thinking, and liberty inevitably lead to chaos and corruption. I find myself wondering, "Can't anybody escape the oppressive regime without becoming evil and killing people?"

It's enough to make one crave the idealism of the Tau, or as Aramor noted, the animal purity of the Tyranids because, even though they'll eat your face, they're not jingoistic.
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Aramor · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:27 am Post subject:

Satan Crime Wash · Gender: Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Posts: 1980

Simon_Says · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:57 am Post subject:

*Snickel*
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Satan Crime Wash · Gender: Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Posts: 1980

I forsee this will end up months from now with Aramor posting on page 34: "What the hell was this thread about, anyway?"

Also: Nice to see the return of snickel.
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Blaster · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I thought about splitting this thread, but there really isn't any good way to do it.

I just noticed my quote from way back; nice, Chainsaw.
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Azrael · Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:30 pm Post subject:

Aramor · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:29 am Post subject:

At least you guys can't blame me for getting a topic off-topic. That's like blaming the sun for shining.
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Satan Crime Wash · Gender: Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Posts: 1980

I think the keeper of the laws of "orf-toppic" is allowed to get off-topic.

You know; for research purposes.
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Simon_Says · Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject:

Aramor · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 10:22 am Post subject:

I'm making a note here, huge succes!
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Aramor · Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:35 pm Post subject:

Geez, somebody doesn't know a good quote when he sees it.
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Satan Crime Wash · Gender: Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Posts: 1980

I know the quote. I also know how to spell success.
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