Aramor's kiss and gender norms discussion

Aramor

No... apparently she's questioning my sexuality because when I french kissed a friend of mine just for fun, she saw it as cheating...

While we were driving back home I tried to get it through to her that it means nothing to me... since he's a guy and my best friend... but that didn't really convince her, so when we got home I said I felt really guilty and that I was actually sick to my stomach blahdiblah...

I was about to hurl though, but that was because I had a lot of beer...
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Blaster · Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 1:53 am Post subject:

What? She didn't want to have a threesome with the two of you?
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Context is everything.

hypnosys · Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 106

Aramor the noble bitch, you french kissed a friend of the same sex?
male-male?
argh... do you still call that friendship?

ARGH!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWW

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did you enjoy it?

Aramor · Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:42 am Post subject:

Digitaaliklosetti · Gender: Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 1850

hypnosys · Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 106

no, Aramor, is like french kissing your mother...

Aramor · Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject:

I really think that's a matter of opinion...
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Digitaaliklosetti · Gender: Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 1850

Frenching your mom is a matter of opinion.

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Another fantastic song title! You guys are gold mine.
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bitchez n hose

cfos · Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject:

"Frenching your mom is a matter of opinion.

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Another fantastic song title! You guys are gold mine."

... by Lou Reed. Actually, though... his song was "sex with your parents", I think.

Digitaaliklosetti · Gender: Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 1850

What horrible childhood trauma prevents you from using the quote tags?
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bitchez n hose

Biomechanical · Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 27

ACK! *Bio bolts from thread*

cfos · Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject:

"What horrible childhood trauma prevents you from using the quote tags?"

5 cls
10 ? "I've always been a cut and paste kind-o-guy."
15 goto 10;

run

Biomechanical · Joined: 03 Dec 2006 Posts: 27

A stickler for the system i see,lol.......well it may be i just don,t feel like it
or it could be that i,m pretty useless with computers,...shock horror...
A computer geek...i am not.

Got a friend joining soon...he,ll be taking care of my avatar etc...nothing
to get upset over anyway. Wink

Appreciate the welcome cfos,lol.

.......''My men don,t do this kind of verk''.....

Aramor · Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject:

hypnosys · Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Posts: 106

if that is a matter of opinion then... it's like having a blow job by one's mother...

Khushi · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 1:34 am Post subject:

Munan · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 4:37 am Post subject:

Aramor · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:33 am Post subject:

cfos · Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:08 am Post subject:

"Will you believe that just yesterday I came across some old letters from 13 years ago by my first girlfriend in which she said she was happy I cheated on her with two girls because it meant I (and I quote) "like girls", a thing she actually doubted."

Personally, I don't really have an opinion on who kisses whom. But, this post is actully quite interesting (to me):

1. What are you doing with letters from 13 years ago? After moving a third time in 3 years, I've been letting all kinds of crap collected over the years, go... and sometimes, I find it odd that I still have what I have. Is this something common (keeping/trashing)? Or is this something where you save something because it is the "first" letter, etc. I'm curious if other people save these sorts of things.

2. I find it pretty odd that a girl would have that kind of response. I mean, if it was some 13 years ago... that would mean... we are talking about a teenage girl(?). If so, it is either a very progressively minded teenager or a girl that may have questionable likes(?) Maybe she is one to have fallen for guys that like guys, in the past or that you remind her of one? Do most "European" (read: non-American) men come off as potentially bi? -- I'm banking on "European forwading thinking" such that this comment does not come off as insulting, rather just a question because, in my experience, that is a very uncommon response to finding out that one was cheated on.

3. A friend of mine finally burned me a cd of Midnight Vultures (Beck). Is your life (or the lives of other "europeans") embodied in the song "Debra"?

Munan · Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 4:58 am Post subject:

cfos · Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:12 am Post subject:

"No, no, you misread my post. Her reaction was, oh, thank god, you're not gay/bi. She was from Hungary, where they have rather backward views on homosexuality, so me being bi/gay would definitely not have been a good thing for her. "

Sorry, my bad. I once went out with a girl who had a hungarian dad. I couldn't get past the dinner -- an appetizer where you put fried chunks of fat on bread.

"WTF?! First of all, I find saying "non-American=European" a bit weird, and second of all - there's millions of men in Europe, and you have countries like Croatia, Turkey, Greece, or Latvia, where you'll meet with a lot of hostility if people suspect you fancy men, and Sweden, the Netherlands and Belgium, where two men showing affection won't raise too many eyebrows and sometimes gay marriage is possible."

Not meant to be weird, some Americans -- those following the "Metrosexual" fad, seem to be a touch European-eske or a wannabe -- Madonna adopting a British accent -- at least my conception of many of them. I don't doubt that there are plenty of countries that are intolerant (you know, the ones that reach the newspapers due to ethnic cleansing, religious wars and what-not) -- just like we have states in "the South". I thought the use of "quotes" might depict the stereotypical European, something which may only exist in the mind. It just seems that most "Europeans" don't have the usual, oh I don't know what you call them... "hang-ups"? that Americans typically display. Likewise, not every emailer from South Africa has millions of $$$ they want to entrust to me. Damn the media!

"I find the notion of having sex with a girl and her sister repulsive. But maybe I misunderstood that song. It's a nice cd, though..."

Hmmm... maybe I mis-read something: When I read your previous post, I assumed you cheated on the former with two girls (at the same time). Hence the Beck song.

Munan · Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 11:35 am Post subject:

Oh. Yes. In that case, you didn't misread. But they weren't sisters!

cfos · Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:26 pm Post subject:

"I know what you are talking about. Friends of mine were practically raised on that thing, and I remember once, in the summer of '93, I think for two days I had only been drinking and then I woke up in the morning, feeling extremely hungry and someone gave that to me..."

I think I would have been fine if I hadn't been told what it was...

"I'd say that conception of Europe is more revealing about Americans than about what Europe is really like..."

Oh, very true. Of course, most Americans are also far less reserved than any other group when it comes to speaking "our" minds.

"Before I answer that, I need some examples!"

Urinal Etiquette: Unless at an event where there is a mass exodus (movie getting out, sports event) or where a pee trough is the only thing available, most American males will not take the urinal right next to another man (unless emergency) even if it is unoccupied. Rather, the American male will wait.

Teenage Movie going: Before I get the expected comments, let me say that this wasn't the highlight of the trip. While in Paris, my wife and I went to see Miami Vice (we were tired of watching bad American movies dubbed in French). Teenage males in Paris sat right next to each other rather than having a seat between them. As an aside, the Paris movie theaters could seriously use more air conditioning.

"Drama-fags": I think across most schools in America, people that engage in Drama are considered "Drama-fags" (nothing to do with cigarettes) by those not involved in Drama. Not sure why.

Boy-on-boy action: I just don't see Aramor's friendly kiss (the alleged cheating incident) and the question of whether it was "cheating" happening in an American society. Rather, I think the only news that Americans would talk about from the alleged cheating incident would be that he had frenched another guy. Sure, Americans often jokingly feign being "gay" but socially, I think that most would consider that as going beyond the "joke" or have meaning. Personally, I don't really care or have an opinion -- without understanding the nature of the relationship between Aramor and his lady-friend, but have lived in a number of different states and find some universal "truths" amongst some social norms. Of course, if it were Aramor's lady-friend that had kissed another lady-friend... that would be accepted in American culture since we (for some reason) are fascinated by lesbian-action (not stating that they would be lesbians, but that would be the assumption and how it would be described to others who were'nt there to witness the climatic event)... and little people (can't get enough of "Little People, Big World" and wish Fox would bring back the "Littlest Groom").

This is just an observation and maybe the above are not the best examples. But, there are (obviously) some differences that occur in societies that are demographic/cultural?. I've always been curious about these differences (not the geographic differences about whether "soda" is referred to as "pop" or "coke" or whether one says "y'all" or "you guys").

Blaster · Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:44 pm Post subject:

Some reactions:

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