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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, in Predator 2 it could still see in infrared w/o the mask, which it could NOT do in the first movie. I have yet to receive a totally satisfactory answer to this.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You made the best explanation yourself, the movie just blows...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah... Embarassed
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i soooo agree!
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude go an watch the movie over. In Predator 1 when he took of the mask he saw swathsy(ahnold) in red meaning he saw body heat. he saw everything around him in black or a dark color meaning cold no heat. And plus in the 2nd one they didnt have ne scenes form the pred's POV with the mask off.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big realization: The Predators DO see color. With the mask on they can see yellow, red, blue, etc.

They probably can't see color in terrestrial atmospheres because the different composition would filter some of the wavelengths that the Predator is naturaly designed to see, therefore all he sees in Earth's atmosphere is a red blotch.

If the Predator see's infrared without the mask on, the mask could be designed to 'correct' vision in different atmospheres. Makes sense in my opinion.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't even know where to begin correcting you...so I won't.

Edit: That was directed at Rus. Simon squeezed a post in while I was typing.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is from a convo I had with Simon on the subject:

(the threads separate, it unravels, was me, Simon says was Simon)

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and please stop, I don't want to have to take the whole "color" argument to a whole other level

- Ŝĩώ_$ŷς - "Sunday! Sunday! Someday!" says:
I was jsut stating an observation.

The threads separate, it unravels says:
cuz I'm itchin to

- Ŝĩώ_$ŷς - "Sunday! Sunday! Someday!" says:
bring it on bitch

The threads separate, it unravels says:
you bring up an interesting point that the pred can see those colors that show up on his infrared vision

The threads separate, it unravels says:
so the question arises, why can't he see those same colors with the ambient light of the Earth?

The threads separate, it unravels says:
here's what I was thinking

The threads separate, it unravels says:
the infrared vision that the audience sees from the pred's POV may be a bit of a heuristic affair (Edit: I was using "heuristic" to mean sensible but nonrigorous)

The threads separate, it unravels says:
but it goes even deeper

The threads separate, it unravels says:
color is a biological phenomenon

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the physical aspect is really such a small part of it

The threads separate, it unravels says:
therefore, a given wavelength that the pred perceives as "blue" may not be the same on that a human would perceive as blue

The threads separate, it unravels says:
this only gets more complicated

The threads separate, it unravels says:
SO, the mask conceivably detects wavelegths which the pred (or a human, for that matter) could NOT see (i. e., infrared range), and tranlates that to some wavelengths that the pred CAN see, which are DIFFERENT from the "visible" spectrum to which WE are accustomed

The threads separate, it unravels says:
but the main point is that, what is blue, red, green, etc, for a pred, would not necesarily be blue, red, green, respectively, for a human

The threads separate, it unravels says:
*takes deep breath*

- Ŝĩώ_$ŷς - "Sunday! Sunday! Someday!" says:
It's all how the brain interprets it.

The threads separate, it unravels says:
exactly

The threads separate, it unravels says:
you can see this kind of thing with chromatic induction and related phenomena

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color is really more subject that we would like to believe

The threads separate, it unravels says:
our senses can easily deceive us

The threads separate, it unravels says:
subjective*

- Ŝĩώ_$ŷς - "Sunday! Sunday! Someday!" says:
*puts on the blast visor like Luke Skywalker*

The threads separate, it unravels says:
lol

The threads separate, it unravels says:
not exactly where I was going with that, but ok

- Ŝĩώ_$ŷς - "Sunday! Sunday! Someday!" says:
post it

The threads separate, it unravels says:
this whole convo?

- Ŝĩώ_$ŷς - "Sunday! Sunday! Someday!" says:
I barely understood it, but post it

The threads separate, it unravels says:
or just my parts?

The threads separate, it unravels says:
edit?

- Ŝĩώ_$ŷς - "Sunday! Sunday! Someday!" says:
your choice... I didn't say anything embarrasing

The threads separate, it unravels says:
haha, cool
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:05 am    Post subject: hmmmmmmmmm Reply with quote

hey dont worry im white and the predators are after me just becuse
i blown thier space ship. Laughing ........ oh here they come Shocked
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and there are some shots in Predator 2 where the Pred sees infrared without his mask on. Thank you guys for making me pay attention to it and spoiling the movie for me Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You watched Predator 2?

You deserve a frikken trophy for surviving that.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you get trophys if you've seen it more than 5 times, have a Special 2 Disc Version, a standard DVD version and a Predator/Predator 2 VHS Double Pack?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*Shoots at Aramor*

That oughta end your torment...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simon_Says wrote:
You watched Predator 2?

You deserve a frikken trophy for surviving that.


whats wrong with predator 2? I just watched it yesterday, it's a good movie
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

... actually i don't know now...

I watched that movie like five years ago.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simon_Says wrote:
... actually i don't know now...

I watched that movie like five years ago.


go! watch it again, rent it, the videostore should let you rent it for free since it's predator, such a worthy movie.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dude, there ain't nothing wrong with the movie... I mean, really... is it just standard to say that every sequel sucks?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not every sequel sucks... Empire Strickes Back, Shrek 2, Bourne Supremecy,...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've been through this in another topic Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

predator 2 is a good movie in my opinion, i don't prefer any to another for the predator movies, so it's just good, not extremly, but good.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, just like all the Alien movies...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back on topic here, but I always thought the Preds were kind of Brothers anyways. I mean, in Pred1 the guy had definative dreads man. You KNOW he's a rasta! Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a question: If Preds see in the infrared spectrum, then how'd they develop a written language?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

... Paint/pigments visible in the infrared spectrum? Red lights on the bracer computers?

We're talking about aliens here, do you seriously think that the Preds could not have found an equivilent to paper or such on their homeworld?
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