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Most of you probably already know about this, but for those of you who don't, here's the trailer:
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
Instead of the Autobot symbol at the end like the first movie's trailer, it's the Decepticon one. Baddies win for once?
EDIT: Changed trailer host.
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The first one sucked. Sam Witwicky and Big Boobs were featured pretty heavily in this trailer, ergo this one will suck even more. They obviously didn't get the point that audiences want movies about the transformers, not the fucking earthlings.
This shit's going to be bigger, louder, dumber, and more stupid.
Also there are a dozen warning signs in this trailer. Too many to list now.
And yes, I think I could have made a better Team Fortress 2 topic.
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| Simon_Says wrote: | | I think I could have made a better Team Fortress 2 topic. |
Nuh-uh!
| Simon_Says wrote: | The first one sucked. Sam Witwicky and Big Boobs were featured pretty heavily in this trailer, ergo this one will suck even more. They obviously didn't get the point that audiences want movies about the transformers, not the fucking earthlings.
This shit's going to be bigger, louder, dumber, and more stupid. |
Oh, come on. The boobs weren't that big.
Heh, I forgot how much you hated the first one. You must be thrilled... especially since, from the look of the trailer, it might just be the first one with more special effects.
I liked the first one. It wasn't the best thing ever, but it was alright. |
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First off, that trailer thing at Yahoo sucks. The controls don't work.
Anyway, this movie will also probably be fun to watch when you're drunk, because you don't know what the hell is going on and you just try to focus on the blurry action. Which is what the first Transformers mainly consisted of.
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I agree with Simon, all I ever hoped for in a transformers movie was giant robots smashing the shit out of each other and the rest of the world while humans are practically helpless to do anything about it. I guess we'll just have to wait for a live action remake of Endless Waltz...
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| Miss Say No wrote: | The first one sucked. Sam Witwicky and Big Boobs were featured pretty heavily in this trailer, ergo this one will suck even more. They obviously didn't get the point that audiences want movies about the transformers, not the fucking earthlings.
This shit's going to be bigger, louder, dumber, and more stupid.
Also there are a dozen warning signs in this trailer. Too many to list now.
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Thank you very much. finally a peoson who hates transformers as much as me.
I mean really it feels like a stereotypical adolescent film.
1. over the top explosions (thank you Michal Bay)
2. Fast edgy cars.
3. bad jokes (haha masturbation is funny) 
4. bad acting
5. big breasts.
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| very, very funny the ending was the best. thank you |
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I still don't know why people are up in arms over Megan Fox. She isn't paid to act and no one cares whether or not she has an opinion about gay marriage. Perhaps the people against her would prefer her role to be played by Jason Stathum? I think he displayed similar acting chops to Megan in Transporter 3.
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I think she's hot.
And that's practically everything I associate her with. And the fact she was in Two and a Half Men. Where she looked really hot.
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IIRC, she's topless in an upcoming movie with Simon Pegg.
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Oh, Simon Pegg. I'll probably see it anyway then.
You're not talking about "How to Lose Friends & Alienate People" right? Because I saw that one already and Megan Fox is indeed in it. Although not topless... unless I missed that part.
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| Aramor wrote: | Oh, Simon Pegg. I'll probably see it anyway then.
You're not talking about "How to Lose Friends & Alienate People" right? Because I saw that one already and Megan Fox is indeed in it. Although not topless... unless I missed that part. |
I dunno. I thought I saw a preview of some movie like "Win a date with Tad Hamilton" that starred Megan and had Pegg...?? I could be wrong.
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Okay, watched the trailers again. Let's go back a couple months m'kay?
| Simon_Says wrote: | | The first one sucked. Sam Witwicky and Big Boobs were featured pretty heavily in this trailer, ergo this one will suck even more. They obviously didn't get the point that audiences want movies about the transformers, not the fucking earthlings. |
Hey what d'ya know, the trailer's laid it out that Twitbitchy is again the centre of attention in this movie. Which means that less attention will be given to the robots who should be starring these films. They've succeeded in failing to get the point shouted at them.
| Simon_Says wrote: | | This shit's going to be bigger, louder, dumber, and more stupid. |
More robots. Bigger robots. Bigger and louder is certainly spot on. So what about dumber and stupider? Well let's examine three moments in the trailer. 1) Bumblebee's reaction to the news that he's not going with Wetsticky to college. 2) Immediately after, the line "Look at this place! I feel smarter already! Can you smell it?" 3) "What you are about to see is top secret. Do not tell my mother." Now, the golden rule with comedy is that it should not be forced. It should not be attempted. It should sort of just appear out of its own volition. I will not deny that the first Transformers movie was at least somewhat proficient in this regard, and did spare it from becoming a complete bore. Your mileage may vary but when I saw these scenes I was immediately repulsed by how forced these scenes were.
Competent application of comedy is a basic skill, and I've come to notice that failure to write decent comedy where it is intended is a sure sign that the rest of the script will be similarly cludgy and fucked. Now, something seems very amiss here. The guys who wrote the first Transformers and who wrote the second one, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman, did an absolutely fantastic job with another recent blockbuster, Star Trek. Though it did have its hiccups (the Uhura/Spock romance in particular), they've achieved the seemingly impossible and completely revitalized the franchise. It may or not be there fault that Transformers sucked and Star Trek rocked but there's definitely indication that there were complex factors involved behind the creative process in the first, and now this TF film.
And complexity in a creative process inhibits quality. Actual application of turning dream to reality may be a complex process that can be successful (see LotR or Valve's games) but if the underlying generation of the dream is complex, the hill'll be just that much steeper. That's why when you have more writers on any given project, the quality of the final product tends to decrease. It's a fucking law of nature.
They also brought a third guy, a no name, to help write the script. Maybe the lame jokes are his fault, I dunno. Seems that way since Orci and Kurtzman did do the jokes right earlier. Meh, the script for this will suck. I guarantee that.
| Simon_Says wrote: | | Also there are a dozen warning signs in this trailer. Too many to list now. |
And a dozen more with the subsequent trailers. Still too little time now relay them all.
| Simon_Says wrote: | | And yes, I think I could have made a better Team Fortress 2 topic. |
I still think so.
So I guess we'll just have to wait till mid June to see just how right I am. Looking forward to telling you again that I told you so. S_S out.
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Stop quoting yourself.
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Here is something I would like to point out; Transformers was directed by Michael Bay. It was a pure popcorn film.
Explosions. Check.
Guns. Check.
Incoherent screaming. Check.
Classy cars. Check.
Absurd cinematography. Check.
Cars jumping through explosions amdist gunfire while people scream incoherently via blurry camera shots. Check.
Awesome. Check.
Plot. wut?
That was Transformers, actually that was nearly any Michael Bay film. Did you really watch the first film for an engaging story about a race of mechanized aliens who battle over the custody of true power? Or did you watch it to see big-fucking-robots annihliate each other. True that the first film had a rather painfully forced addition of chracters we are not that interested in (save Megan Fox for many), but it did deliver on what many wanted. This film has promised more Transformers, more Transformers screentime, and more awesome.
The writing is important to many fans, I enjoy a good story as well, but asking for a clever story from Michael Bay is like asking a dog to to hunt down fish and seals by using electroreption. Things just don't work that way. Michael Bay is not the writer, but he still is the director.
I liked the first film because of how awesome it was, not for how clever it was. I look forward to the sequel because I have a good idea on what to expect from it.
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| Simon_Says wrote: | | the Uhura/Spock romance |
Yeah, that was totally uncalled for. Bad Spock!
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i agree with Simon on the Star Trek remake. i was really really surprised to find that this movie was, for all intents and purposes, good entertainment.
doesn't happen that often nowadays.
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| Azrael wrote: | Here is something I would like to point out; Transformers was directed by Michael Bay. It was a pure popcorn film.
I liked the first film because of how awesome it was, not for how clever it was. I look forward to the sequel because I have a good idea on what to expect from it. |
This is exactly why I liked the film. I wasn't expecting some sort of complexity to it. It's a movie about a guy, his hot girlfriend and a bunch of robots. And a cube. We have circles, we have cubes, and out comes a movie that you know you watched because it had huge robot-motherfuckers in it and for no other reason, other than Megan Fox.
Sure, it's not the same kind of awesome Star Trek was. Pie is not the same kind of tasty your favorite dish/drink is. |
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God, I'd never thought I'd agree with Bloo, but....
He is right. Transformers was an entertaining movie. Fact. It didn't change my life, but it was fairly good.
On a side note, had anyone else noted that it seemed like Mr. Prime wanted to die?
"Oh crap, things aren't going well again... Here kill me, so I can sacrifice myself."
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OMG.... I'm agreeing with Az AND Bloo... Seriously Simon, I need to know who is now projecting: Does every script-writer only write their dream stories? Are they so altruistic? The studios (that pay for writers) aren't looking to capitalize on what the majority of America/rest of world WANTS to see? You mean to tell me... movie studios aren't there to realize fanboy dreams...? Incidently, I'm excited to see Fanboys.
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| Frost wrote: | On a side note, had anyone else noted that it seemed like Mr. Prime wanted to die?
"Oh crap, things aren't going well again... Here kill me, so I can sacrifice myself." |
RoboChrist! Savior in disguise!
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| Simon_Says wrote: | | ...It may or not be their fault that Transformers sucked and Star Trek rocked... |
That slipped me on my first read.
Optimus Prime died for your sins.
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Az, I blame the fact that I'm writing on a Tablet PC. It's bound to make a few recognition errors now and then.
And guys, I'm not saying that the first Transformers was horrifically, disgustingly bad. Yes I said it sucked, but 'suck' in this case means the same way how Fallout 3 sucks. It didn’t live up to its inherent potential.
| Azrael wrote: | | Did you really watch the first film for an engaging story about a race of mechanized aliens who battle over the custody of true power? |
No, because I knew it didn't have that. Guess what it may have been with the premise though. “A massive conflict between two factions of an eons old civilization of titans spills onto a simple planet of an undeveloped race to wrestle custody over the power of creation”. Compare that to what we got. “Dorky tool meets girl, makes friends with robots, makes enemies with other robots, and he starts to shout “No!” a lot while the robots go about tearing up scenery. Guy bangs chick. The end.” It was a fucking waste.
| Azrael wrote: | | True that the first film had a rather painfully forced addition of characters we are not that interested in (save Megan Fox for many), but it did deliver on what many wanted. This film has promised more Transformers, more Transformers screentime, and more awesome. |
Remember Predator? How can’t you, it’s a classic right? Totally awesome, right? Right. Now why was it so good? The action wasn’t particularly special, the effects weren’t awe-inspiring, the plot was neither deep nor insightful. So what was it? It was the characters. The eponymous Predator, Arnie and the Manchildren (great band name), etc. They were flat and simple but by God they got us hooked and stuck in the memory.
Transformers meanwhile had, as you put it yourself, forcefully added characters we were not interested in. It had action, and effects, and the plot wouldn’t have been terrible hadn’t fucked up the characterization. Most people, myself included, point this out indirectly when they say they wanted a movie about the Transformers, not the Earthlings, though really, a human-centric plot could have worked (Aliens pulled this off right).
My point still stands. Transformers 2's success as a film will be held back, primarily because it focuses on the same weak group of characters.
| Azrael wrote: | | The writing is important to many fans, I enjoy a good story as well, but asking for a clever story from Michael Bay is like asking a dog to to hunt down fish and seals by using electroreption. Things just don't work that way. Michael Bay is not the writer, but he still is the director. |
Then maybe he isn't the right man for the job. He has made a good action film with good plot/characters before, with The Rock. Why can't he do it again?
| cfos wrote: | | OMG.... I'm agreeing with Az AND Bloo... Seriously Simon, I need to know who is now projecting: Does every script-writer only write their dream stories? Are they so altruistic? The studios (that pay for writers) aren't looking to capitalize on what the majority of America/rest of world WANTS to see? You mean to tell me... movie studios aren't there to realize fanboy dreams...? |
I'll blame that whole incoherant writers rant crap on having been under the effect of sleep deprivation at the time, though you still completely miss my point. My point isn’t that script-writers should write only dream-scripts that get nominated for Oscars. I’m saying that if the writers can do some good work, why couldn’t they do it in the first ‘Formers film, and why can’t they do it now for the second? Actually, no, that wasn’t my point either. It was that if the fucking script for Transformers 2 was one iota worse than it already is it would leave a bad smell on everyone in the theatre. And as I already discussed, it doesn’t need to be that way. Also I was under the impression that I argued that it was the case that they didn’t realize the fanboy dreams.
By the way, why does it seem that whenever I make an argument, you appear to consistently argue against me on points I don't make, and then call me out on supposed naiveté? Remember our old debate on video game development? Well, my arguments for that medium hold true in cinema as well. Great films make great wads of cash. Good films make only good wads of cash. I’ll call up Dark Knight and Star Trek as evidence for this one.
I have standards that I judge all media I'm interested in consuming against, and I expect producers to at least strive to approach those standards. If they fail to do so I will not support them by purchasing their product. Simple as that. Yes my standards may be high, but I'll hold to them. Transformers failed miserably to my standards. I expect its sequel to fail even more. Maybe my pompous proclamation that I am undoubtedly and universally right was that, pompous, but if I ever see Transformers 2 and it happens to get me interested enough I will call out any of its unholy bullshit that I see, as I did with Jones 4.
That is all.
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