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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah, it's crazy. It's like a warped Fight Club, centered on sexual depravity every day. You wouldn't believe the shit we put all those foreigners, who came to see that big, sports-thingamajig, through. Thinking that was rain...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was in helsinki ones, it lookt like russia
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it wrong to make a joke about pedophilie and ok to make one about how women are only sexual objects to men? There is no difference if you ask me. Preston and Abe are both only looking into sex when it comes to girls, and the fact that it is a reality for most men offend me. Half of these strips are about "women are objects".
But this is a comic.
It's just jokes! No big deal! I think I smiled when I read it. And I thought 'ew' but that was about it.

I agree maybe this strip should have been posted in a sort of adult forum thingie.

I think some minds are made to enjoy that kind of humour, and others aren't. And like someone said, it's not like there was an actually image of Abe doing anything to that girl.

Anyway, I respect anyone's opinion on this matter. But I think some of you tend to be extremists which is a very bad quality. You don't have to make really wrong explicit jokes about pedophilie, but you don't have to ban 'dark humour' completely. I thought that one strip fell right in the balance.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2005 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Winston_C wrote:
Despite not being the addressee of this little advice, I prefer definition 4
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Generally accepted to be the greatest insult ever invented, and is more commonly used by arrogant gamers who are really just n00bs themselves.


True. And thank you, Winston, for posting those definitions. I never wasted the time looking it up, myself...

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i think most people join up just to be on the userlist, or post once on a single topic and never post again....

Or maybe they're just not interested in responding to the few loudmouths who deem a webcomic's forum section as their personal Holy Grail of Stupidity? Dunno, it's crazy.

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Hey - and what happened to the right of free speech? Those who dislike the joke for whatever reason have just as much right to post their opinion as those who thought it was funny.


Nobody was telling anybody else they couldn't voice their opinions, and I'm sorry if I came off that way. I'm just debating it, which isn't trying to supress anybody's opinion.


You didn't come off like that at all, at least not from my viewpoint. All of this here is simply people venting their frustrations and expressing their points. I always appreciate any post that makes me think of something from a different light and yours was one.

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People are getting so worked up over this that it's rediculous. There is such thing as black humor. It means taking things that aren't funny and laughing at them anyway. If you don't think the Spanish Inqusition can be funny, you've obviously never seen History Of The World Part 1. Ditto for the holocaust. Ever see The Producers?

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First of all, pedophilia is nothing to joke about, period. It would be like joking over the Holocaust pictures of children killed in the concentration camp ovens or joking over the people who jumped fom the Twin Towers to escape the flames: there's no humor in it at all.


I truly don't think it's the same thing. Explicit pictures are not the same as a vaguely implied attitude towards something. The comic did NOT feature Abe molesting a kid, or any other explicit horror.


I disagree. My two examples were not intended as visual examples. They were simply used to make a comparison with the subject of pedophilia: ugly, horrific, and not something to joke over. Not showing the graphic part of the crime did NOT, somehow, dilute it to some acceptable, social form, regardless if one ever was a victim of a pedophile.

Either way around, I think this subject has been debated to death. We agree, we disagree. What matters is that we got a chance to express our points and that's what counts.

07/2010 EDIT: Such a pointless rant on my part. I'm so sorry I ever even posted the initial response. Of course, that was five years ago, so people change. Thank God the 'Edit' feature on the forum still works after all this time, huh? Smile Anyways, sorry for the drama and for any IQ points you may have lost in reading through it all. Lord knows you have better things in life to do than to be subjected to this garbage. Peace.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And nobody noticed how cute Preston looks in this comic? Blushing like that on his first date?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

holokaustos wrote:

First of all, pedophilia is nothing to joke about, period. It would be like joking over the Holocaust pictures of children killed in the concentration camp ovens or joking over the people who jumped fom the Twin Towers to escape the flames: there's no humor in it at all.


I don't see it as like joking over holocaust victims. That would be seeing the little girl after having been molested. That wouldn't be funny, no arguments. However, this is not making fun of the reality, but rather the sick bastard who is trying it (Abe). To use your analogy, it wouldn't be making fun of the Holocaust victims, but rather making fun of the Nazi's.

And gee, I don't think anyone's ever told me a joke about the Nazi's, and I don't think there's been a single movie or anything making fun of them. Nope, can't think of a one. Oh wait- yes. Yes I can. Plenty. Is anyone making a joke about the act? No, but making fun of the people? Yes. Because thats what a joke is about- making fun of people. But this makes fun of people you don't like? Oh, as opposed to all the jokes about men, women, blacks, whites, mexicans, poles, jews, muslims, christians, gays, straights, chinese, japanese, midgets, and so on. If you took out every joke which mentioned one of these, you'd be living in a grim world indeed.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

holokaustos wrote:
First of all, pedophilia is nothing to joke about, period.

There is a cartoon series shown here in the Good Ole United Kingdom called 'Monkey Dust'. You, sir, should never watch it.

holokaustos wrote:
It would be like joking over the Holocaust pictures of children killed in the concentration camp ovens or joking over the people who jumped fom the Twin Towers to escape the flames: there's no humor in it at all.

No, of course, because Bin Laden's cookbook recipie on how to make a Big Apple Crumble is not amusing in the slightest. It's called Black Humour. Go see a performance by Ricky Gervais, and you'll realise just how tame this particular strip really is.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Such a serious response.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll say it, Pedophelia is one of MANY things to make jokes and laugh at. You can call it a catch phrase, but Carlos Mencia has it right: "If you ain't laughing, you ain't living."
On a serious note, i could use fans like yours who draw you fan comics Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing that's been bothering me as I skim this thread...why is someone complaining about making light of something bad when his or her screenname is, as far as I can tell, based off the word "holocaust?" Isn't that pretty much the bad thing to beat all bad things? Why would you want a screen name even remotely similar to it? Of course, if it's from something completely different, I'll be happy to pretend I never said that.

Oh, and I thought the comic, while not the most HILARIOUS thing I've ever seen was still giggle-inducing, at least.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow.. everyone`s mentioning pedophilia. i must be the only one who looked at the comic and thought it was pres and abe in their childhood years. 0_o
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're still talking about this?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holly wrote:
We're still talking about this?

apparently

and something that came to mind while reading up on this. there's plenty of good jokes about jews in concentration camps Rolling Eyes

in this world you can laugh or you can cry. i'd rather laugh, so i'll laugh at jokes about jews, blacks, gays, germans (which i am myself), americans, mentally retarded people and even pedophilia, if it's a good joke. doesn't mean i disrespect anybody or make fun of them specifically. you just take a sad thing to an absurd level which makes it funny
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True that. Bashing your head in a wall isn't funny if it's your head or in Doom The Movie but in a comedy (can't think of one right now) it's cou'!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bashing your head in a wall can be fun.... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe if you're masochistic in nature.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I know I'm bumping this, but I don't get here often and the post looked new to me. But it's one of those things, an idea gets in your head, and you have to do it...

I'd bet the problem here wasn't the pedophilia joke, so much as that it was applied to Abe. Abe just feels wrong for it. Here's a version more strangely Abe...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I, for one, did not find this strip offensive. To me it just continued the theme that Abe is totally clueless when it comes to sex....ANY sex, regardless of age.

There must be at least 40 strips that delve into his total lack of ability to interact on even a basic level with EVERY FEMALE HE MEETS. Why should a child be any different? Christ, the current strip shows him as unable to conceive of a way of touching a woman that does not involve her breasts!

But on the more fundamental note of whether it is OK to joke about taboo subjects, my opinion (for what little it is worth) is that the whole point in humor is to do exactly that. To throw stones at those things held to be too sacred, to disturbing, to unthinkable to think about. By using humor to shine a light on such topics you bring them into the foreground instead of allowing them to fester away in the darkness.

Does that mean this comic strip was good....how the fuck should I know? I'm just a schmuck in NYC.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this is an extremely old topic, but it caused a bit of controversy with its subject, so I wanted to "help".

I didn't think nothing bad about this comic at all.
Why?
I thought Abe was hitting on the mom, and she doesn't want her kid near the weird guy hitting on her.
Maybe that's not so, but I'll keep looking on it that way, because I can.

And on subject, I love the style. So simple and cute.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:21 pm    Post subject: Ok, the guys messed up. Reply with quote

Sorry, old topic again, so sorry.
Don't get me wrong, I can laugh at peodphiles when its funny, and not too serious.

But I went to the guy's site(clone manga.com or something), and what I saw would make this comic look lighthearted.
The first thing I did was check out a comic he made that was a parody of Elfen Lied.
And I ran face first into incest /molestation and abuse.
The comics usually went like this:
Dad acts nice, like he going to award her, girl gets happy, then dad rapes her or something.
Or:
Girl talks to another girl/ or has flashback of being raped, looks unhappy, then someone verbally and/or physically abuses her, then she sites there looking sad, and the rest of the panels drag on with her looking sad.

Some of it was a little funny, but I ran into enough pointlessly abusive ones and rape ones where its half shows her being raped, and I said screw this site, screw Dan Kim and his perverted fucked-up "humor".
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only if it is intended to cause offence to a mass audience & the perpetrator is clearly a nonse should it be a problem. Fucked up humour is just that, fucked up humour. It isnt intended to be funny for everyone, or even the majority- a niech audience will laugh at it. That said I havent seen any of the guys other work, nor do I care really if its offence or not.

If you find something offensive, stop looking at it, end of.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 9:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Ok, the guys messed up. Reply with quote

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I said screw this site, screw Dan Kim and his perverted fucked-up "humor".



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Army of Darkness wrote:
Only if it is intended to cause offence to a mass audience & the perpetrator is clearly a nonse should it be a problem. Fucked up humour is just that, fucked up humour. It isnt intended to be funny for everyone, or even the majority- a niech audience will laugh at it. That said I havent seen any of the guys other work, nor do I care really if its offence or not.

True...
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If you find something offensive, stop looking at it, end of.

Very true.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 10:16 am    Post subject: Re: Ok, the guys messed up. Reply with quote

Now hey Mr Chainsaw, I wasn't getting all "Jack Thompson", I was just saying.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't see why people seem so offended? It's comedy and, to be honest, in comedy, nothing is holy. Pedophila, necrophilia, etc, etc, as long as it makes someone laugh, it'll be there. Tasteless to some, comedy to others, it's still just a comic.

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And a damn funny one as well ^.^
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