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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carbon-Based Biped wrote:
Actually, because Pluto's orbit is inclined by 17 degrees, its orbit never crosses Neptune's. People say it "crosses" because at its perihelion, Pluto is closer to the Sun than Neptune. If it did, however, Pluto would either have been captured by Neptune or thrown out of the Solar System long ago.

Perhaps that's how Pluto got into a "planetary" orbit in the first place. After all, it has made about a quarter of an orbit since we found it. And we have no way of knowing how long it has been in that orbit.

Also, the fact that the orbits don't cross right now doesn't mean they never have or never will. The orbits are not stationary with respect to each other, especially over millions of years.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, especially considering Pluto's. It never was much bigger than a dirty snowball, and we've seen what the gas planets can do when it comes to dirty snowballs.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As far as I'm concerned, Pluto is still a planet. I don't need some union of astronomers to tell me what to think or believe Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to be too much of an ass (OK, to be way too much of an ass) but what did you base your original belief upon? Isn't it based upon the thoughts and ideas of that same union of astronomers?

They called Pluto a planet in 1930 based on the information they had at the time. Now that they have more information, they rethink their decision based on that new information. Their new decision is that Pluto can't be classed as a planet without having to classify what may eventually be hundreds of other objects as planets.

They don't want to go there. They don't want the difinition of planet to be such that there are hundreds, or even dozens, of planets in the Solar System.

And don't forget, they are the professionals. It is their job to do these things. So if you can't rely on them, what will you rely on?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Their new decision is that Pluto can't be classed as a planet without having to classify what may eventually be hundreds of other objects as planets


Says who? Exceptions can be made for the sake of exceptions. There is no reason why Pluto cannot still be a planet but the rest of the clutter isn't.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because it is science.

In science, you have rules, you have definitions, you have specifics, you have theories.

When the old rules and definitions and specifis and theories no longer work, you scrap them, and start using the new ones.

Having exceptions for the sake of exceptions is the very antithesis of science.

If you want to consider Pluto a planet, you are free to do so. But it makes as much sense as considering your car to be an amimal, because cars move people around, and it used to be only animals that moved people around.

No hard feelings or anything, just the anal-retentive rantings of a scientifically trained matematician.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eek! It's Ian Malcolm!
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I consider that a compliment.

Thank you.

Also, I generally dress in all black.

Like Ian Malcolm.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey complex MiB, if by definition a satellite is a moon, then an artificial satellite is a artificial moon?

The ISS is orbiting the Earth, and people might live there, maybe with some tweaks in the definition, we can consider it a artificial habitable moon?

There are some companies that promote sending someone's ashes when are deceased and send it in a capsule to the space, and leave it orbiting the Earth.
Would we be turning our grandpa to a moon?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hey complex MiB, if by definition a satellite is a moon, then an artificial satellite is a artificial moon?

The ISS is orbiting the Earth, and people might live there, maybe with some tweaks in the definition, we can consider it a artificial habitable moon?

There are some companies that promote sending someone's ashes when are deceased and send it in a capsule to the space, and leave it orbiting the Earth.
Would we be turning our grandpa to a moon?

To all your questions, the answer is "Yes."
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hohoho, awesome
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