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Xeno.Morph
February 28, 2005 at 6:24 am

BOO YEAH!
FIRST COMMENT DANCE!
Duh nu nu nu, nu nu, nu nu (Can’t touch this)

Guest
February 28, 2005 at 8:08 am

My first comment on this forum dance… :wink:

I discovered this site about 2 weeks ago (thanks to a brilliant author’s recommendation). I’m from Kentucy, but I can still appreciate the humor of living in NY.

Ya’ll have a good day…Southern Fried

cassiusdrow
February 28, 2005 at 8:52 am

The first gate on the left looks like a giant pair of boxer shorts….

Guest
February 28, 2005 at 9:13 am

Bernie,

I totally agree with your assessment of where the $20 of Cristo’s own money was well spent in the construction of The Gates. It’s his money, let him spend it as he damn well pleases.

If the citizens of New York are looking for philanthropy from individuals who utilize public spaces, isn’t your mayor a billionaire?

Dean
February 28, 2005 at 12:32 pm

In a display of my cluelessness, I had no idea it was privately funded.

How’d the motherfucker GET $20 million???

Wize
February 28, 2005 at 12:48 pm

Ok-I’m going to stop lurking now and say this is mighty fine work on this one. Keep it up mr. bernie!

PS-bonus points on Abe’s ‘upskirts’ comment.

:mrgreen:

desert_drum
February 28, 2005 at 4:10 pm

In further defense of the artist doing as he pleases with his money, there’s a fair amount to be said for a public art exhibit like that being philanthropic to start with. No one has to pay to see it, and sometimes a little beauty and peacefulness is its own justification. It’s a gift to the city, IMO, and a pretty fine one.

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How’d the motherfucker GET $20 million???

He’s quite famous, and I imagine he’s sold his work for a lot in the past, tho knowing that much of what he does is meant to be temporary and either be dismantled or dissipate naturally over time, it does remain a bit of a mystery. Was he loaded to start with?

Dahaka
February 28, 2005 at 5:35 pm

“and he tread upon the road of saffron following it further into the land of the dark lord.”-Book of the Damned pg. 42

Lets All waste resources woo!

Coulda made one hell of a great pumpkin outta that.

Our world isn’t driven by a need to be successful but by a need to be driven. Every year billions of dollars go to waste, it is the nature of money. Money is burnt to drive other sectors.

Great Pumpkin’ 4 Ever!

purplepenguin
February 28, 2005 at 5:57 pm

I could see where people might think it is peaceful watching the fabric blow in the breeze. He probably go the money from private investors in the area knowing that the art work would bring more people into the area.

But no sombreros please. I live in Arizona and see way to many of those…

desert_drum
February 28, 2005 at 6:20 pm

OK, this all smells of cool people to me. Comes from their website’s page on The Gates ( http://christojeanneclaude.net/tg.html ):

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As Christo and Jeanne-Claude have always done for their previous projects, The Gates is entirely financed by the artists through their C.V.J. Corp, (Jeanne-Claude Javacheff, President) with the sale of preparatory studies, drawings, collages, and scale models, earlier works of the fifties and sixties, and original lithographs on other subjects.

The artists do not accept sponsorship or donations.

Christo and Jeanne-Claude have donated the merchandising rights to the charitable foundation NNYN (Nurture New York’s Nature and the Arts) who are sharing the proceeds with The Central Park Conservancy.

Stu
February 28, 2005 at 6:25 pm

Some comments on the Gates, up close and personal:

1) Anyone notice the subliminal connection of being up for exactly 16 days (if not, look at the comic for a hint)?

2) If you want to know how Christo is going to be paid, I sent Bernie a second picture, which I kind of hoped he used but I think the picture was too cramped; there are PICTURES OF THE GATES ON SALE outside Central Park (all over the place), and people were buying them. There’s your $20 million right there.

3) Remember, that’s not orange; that’s saffron.

4) To answer Guest’s question (If the citizens of New York are looking for philanthropy from individuals who utilize public spaces, isn’t your mayor a billionaire?), remember that he tried to get the West Side Yards at a cheap $100 million to build his legacy of a stadium.

5) Personally, I think it was kind of a waste. Not the money, but just going there and seeing all these saffron drapes billowing in the wind. For that, people got excited?

desert_drum
February 28, 2005 at 7:24 pm

Stu wrote:
2) If you want to know how Christo is going to be paid, I sent Bernie a second picture, which I kind of hoped he used but I think the picture was too cramped; there are PICTURES OF THE GATES ON SALE outside Central Park (all over the place), and people were buying them. There’s your $20 million right there.

He’s not getting paid at all for it, and the money from those pictures isn’t going to him. To lift from my previous post:

As Christo and Jeanne-Claude have always done for their previous projects, The Gates is entirely financed by the artists through their C.V.J. Corp, (Jeanne-Claude Javacheff, President) with the sale of preparatory studies, drawings, collages, and scale models, earlier works of the fifties and sixties, and original lithographs on other subjects.

The artists do not accept sponsorship or donations.

Christo and Jeanne-Claude have donated the merchandising rights to the charitable foundation NNYN (Nurture New York’s Nature and the Arts) who are sharing the proceeds with The Central Park Conservancy.

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3) Remember, that’s not orange; that’s saffron.

That color looks very close to the one saffron dye will give to cloth, in spite of saffron itself being very yellow. That particular shade and its name have strong associations with Buddhism, because it is a traditional color for monastic (commonly called saffron) robes. That seems to vibe well with the design of the gate structures, which definitely mimic the purification gates at many temples.

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5) Personally, I think it was kind of a waste. Not the money, but just going there and seeing all these saffron drapes billowing in the wind. For that, people got excited?

Finding it stimulating or not would be a matter of taste. I like environmental art myself, because it generally engages multiple senses, or at least one in multiple ways: the sound of the wind in the cloth, the sense of redefined spaces, the altered color of the light on the ground, the shapes of the constructions themselves, the actions and reactions of people to actually being within and interacting with a work of art, how it’s changed by the wind, the light at different times, and seeing it from different vantage points – all that is part of what people interested in such stuff get excited about.

Stu
February 28, 2005 at 9:37 pm

OK, I’m convinced.

Also, the picture ain’t mine (in case anyone thinks I am claiming responsibility for the photo). Mine would have snow in it.

desert_drum
February 28, 2005 at 9:48 pm

Stu wrote:
OK, I’m convinced.

So long as you don’t think I was trying to convince you that you have to like it too, my work here is done. *laugh*

Seriously tho, rereading, I realized I may have come off that way, and I didn’t intend it.

20xx
March 1, 2005 at 12:09 am

Those stupid gates do NOTHING. They are purely decorational.

desert_drum
March 1, 2005 at 12:21 am

20xx wrote:
Those stupid gates do NOTHING. They are purely decorational.

Ah, the ‘Art for its own sake has no purpose!’ voices are heard. If being ‘decorational’ has no purpose in your eyes, then yes, I suppose by that standard purely decorative art indeed does nothing. You’re welcome to that POV, but I personally consider it a bleak way to live in the world.

petrol
March 1, 2005 at 1:21 am

checkit, junkyard alp!

Guest
March 1, 2005 at 1:08 pm

I want one!!

Xeno.Morph
March 1, 2005 at 3:42 pm

Pfft. I could make one of those…

How are banners art? Uniformly coloured banners? They shoulda been white banners with random people drawing their hearts out on them. But, what do I know? One art museum bought a painting of a stripe, so I guess a dirt clod could be art too.

Guest
March 1, 2005 at 3:56 pm

Stu I like your icon.

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March 1, 2005 at 4:03 pm

Stu I like your icon.

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The last time I tried to do this it squishied. And I disconnected, so it didn’t put my name up. I ’tis Xeno.Morph.

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I like starcraft.

Xeno.Morph
March 1, 2005 at 4:11 pm

I like how Bernie did them to scale. Except for Abe. Abe’s supposed to be slightly taller than Pres.

Oblio
March 1, 2005 at 8:56 pm

I have trouble understanding people who say things like “The stupid gates do NOTHING” and “How are banners art?” If the gates do nothing, why was the park completely full of people to the point of it being difficult to walk on the paths on Saturday, even though it was cold, snowing and not sunny? Filling the park with people is itself very much something that the Gates DID do. And as to saying “How are the banners art?” well you don’t even have to go see them to figure that out. Look at the coverage on the NYTimes website that is linked. There are photos of the park from space and together they all create an intricate pattern, and that is at the most removed level. When you experience them they are fabulous, they are material manifestations of the movements of the wind, they create beautiful golden light even when the sky is grey, and the scale behind the whole idea is in itself art. Art is not a singularly defined category, that is why Duchamp could make a urinal on its back one of the most important works of the 20th century. The Gates aren’t there to tell you anything; art doesn’t answer, art asks.

(KHNH)
March 1, 2005 at 9:38 pm

I don’t like orange. Purple woulda been sweet.

BreadMan
March 2, 2005 at 7:27 am

(KHNH) wrote:
I don’t like orange. Purple woulda been sweet.

THANK YOU! I live in NYC, and I don’t mine the gates, but I sure would have appreciated them a hell of a lot more if they had been ANY other color than saffron. Which looks just like SAFETY ORANGE X.x

Guest
March 3, 2005 at 7:33 am

congrats on the twins man

Xeno.Morph
March 3, 2005 at 3:36 pm

Dude, Oblio, you totally misinterpreted me. I never said the gates didn’t do anything (I’m aware someone else did) All I did was comment that the banners should have been different. Like actually have people put their hearts into it. It would have still made a design from space, as you say, and it would have been a lot better. You want art? Go to deviantart.com, or elfwood.com. Or even go to fetalposition.net. You can buy art at fetal.

Guest
March 30, 2005 at 11:20 am

20xx wrote:
Those stupid gates do NOTHING. They are purely decorational.

The Mona Lisa doesn’t DO anything either.

Xeno.Morph
March 30, 2005 at 8:26 pm

Anonymous wrote:

20xx wrote:
Those stupid gates do NOTHING. They are purely decorational.

The Mona Lisa doesn’t DO anything either.

Dear Mr.20xx…

Ahem.

[size=24:ef9bdfe30f]THAT’S THE FRICKEN’ POINT!!!![/size:ef9bdfe30f]

What? You’d like to complain about the human race because philosophically there’s no point to it being alive!? Or even existing at ALL!?

*Cough*

Rant juice just failed meh.

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