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pK
April 8, 2005 at 5:13 am

I hope thats not Karen’s hand demonstrating her way to flip the bird. Kinda like that Seinfeld episode. On the debate, Fuck You means Fuck You, at least in my world.

~pK

kid_icoris
April 8, 2005 at 6:02 am

Im from canada, and I do it the karen way too, i dont think its just a southern thing

Serve
April 8, 2005 at 6:18 am

God, I can’t even do it the way Karen does it. My fingers doesn’t want to stay up, apart from my middle finger that is. I have to make a fist – it’s the only way my fingers wants to go.

Here in South Africa we call it a zap. But it also means Fuck You…

Private Whore
April 8, 2005 at 6:29 am

I always do it the fist way. It’s way easier.

I did notice this way of giving somone the finger the other way in the movie “Twelve Monkeys”.

Bash
April 8, 2005 at 6:50 am

Well you’re all wrong. The best way to flip someone off is the good ol’ British way…. The V-sign. That’s your first and middle finger raised, pointing towards the swearee. Opposite of the Churchill ‘V for victory.’

Notasmile21
April 8, 2005 at 6:59 am

I bite my thumb at you all.

Just thought I’d bring that up, even though I’m from the states, and I use the fist style middle finger.

Dippy Dude
April 8, 2005 at 7:07 am

I’m from Florida and as some southerners don’t like the way you mistreat them and vocally abuse them I find it quite politically correct. See, we are a bunch of morons here in the south. I use the more traditional way of just using the clenched fist method… but then again, I was born in Italy.

Guest
April 8, 2005 at 7:43 am

It’s not a southern thing. There’s actually a lot of people in NYC who flip people off that way as well. There’s a book called “The Guide to the North American Bird” or something like that which chronicles all different types of middle fingers and all the different ways it’s done (there’s more than two, apparently.)

The back of the two-fingers is a United Kingdom gesture that supposedly comes from medieval times, when English longbowmen were often used, with devastating effect, against French troops. As a result, whenever English archers were captured, they had their index and middle fingers cut off, so they could never shoot again. In response, English archers would raise their two fingers before a battle, to mock the French, saying, essentially, “Haha, we still have our fingers.” Again, how valid this is, I don’t know, but it’s a common legend. I have to say, though, that while the story is interesting, it’s pretty lame in its meaning. You’re teasing someone because they haven’t amputated one of your body parts yet.

The Korean way of gesturing “Fuck you” is making a fist with the fingers over the thumb and letting the end of your thumb jut out between the index and the middle. I believe it’s meant to represent a male sexual organ inserted inside the female.

Pterodactyl
April 8, 2005 at 7:50 am

Bernie,
Dude…………. :( what’s with the southern thang? ouch!!
Personal favorite bird shooting method? It is your “clenched fist ” style.
A quick and unscientific study done in the weee hours around work, most women it seems, prefer the “Karen Method”. HMMMM now let’s really open up a can o whoop ass, I mean worms . :shock:

Guest
April 8, 2005 at 8:07 am

I’m from Florida originally – I learned the bird Karen style – with a twist. She’s laid back about it, but if you pull the index and third fingers down more towards the hand so the middle digit is very pointed, you have ‘balls’ on your ‘penis’ middle finger. It’s strong and solid.

The fist method looks so lame to me. Like you’re trying too hard – like the way nerdy guy does it and it just doesn’t look natural.

I wish I could take a picture of my bird and send it in.

soulhack
April 8, 2005 at 8:12 am

oh, well, this is sick in a very good way.

NukeTheSiteFromOrbit
April 8, 2005 at 8:23 am

In Australia, we do it the “blue states” way.

However, I found that after 6 months of working in London, I ended up doing it the V way when I first returned to Australia.

This is almost giving the finger is done with an accent. :wink:

laerm
April 8, 2005 at 8:34 am

haha, i had a conversation about this exact phenomenon with a friend from LA about ten years ago. he did it the way your friend does, with more fingers. i said “what’s that about?” he kinda looked at it for a second and said “i dunno…uh, in california we have balls”. ;)

Meneer Spaghetti
April 8, 2005 at 9:16 am

In Holland we do not give anyone ‘the finger’ because the one you insult might be a foreigner with lots of foreign friends coming after you and stabbing you.

tenchi89
April 8, 2005 at 9:33 am

I’m also from Florida and I think Bernie has a point. I don’t think hes right but I think he has a point. If you ask me, and I know no one did, the solution to this problem is simple. How black and horrible is your soul. The clinched fist is a method usually taken by visceral angry upset evil people who really want to make the statement of Fuck You, while the “Fort” method, as I like to call it, is more of a pleasant friendly Fuck You. Now one thing I have noticed in visiting friends up north is that you guys are wound up tighter then Abe looking for some Alien Tail. Now this could also explain why the Canadians also use the Fort Method since they are rather laid back as well.

Guest
April 8, 2005 at 9:33 am

I am from the south and I do it the clenche fist way and as a bonus I sometimes jab my middle finger in their eye,

bandaid818
April 8, 2005 at 10:11 am

I totally agree with Bernie. If you’re gonna flip someone off, you can’t do it half-assed. You gotta give the full finger. :D

Chigaimasu
April 8, 2005 at 10:21 am

I’m from Georgia, and I noticed that I give the finger as kind of a combination between the two. I don’t clench my fist, but all my fingers are curled back, and my thumb touches my forefinger (or sometimes just sticks out to the side). I’ve got a friend that’s really uptight about stuff, and he gives the full fist method. And my friend from New Jersey does, too.

uncdevil
April 8, 2005 at 10:23 am

North Carolinian chiming in here. I do it the “Southern” way but much more aggressively and stylized. In my elementary school, we even practiced it…

To practice: Stick up your middle finger the northern way. Then, put a pencil just over the lowest knuckle (you know…down where your metacarpal and carpal meet). Then, place the index finger and ring finger so that they are wrapping around the pencil. Squeeze til it hurts and figure out the proper amount of resistance that way.

I still maintain form after all these years as a result.

skumbucket
April 8, 2005 at 10:51 am

i’m canadian, and i do it fist style for one and only one reason:

chasemar
April 8, 2005 at 11:15 am

Here in Texas, most of the guys at least use the clenched fist, often with the forearm raised with it for good effect. A pedestal for the gesture, if you will. Women tend more toward the discreet method.

Guest
April 8, 2005 at 11:56 am

i prefer the halfassed karen method, but i bend my other fingers at the second joint (counting from the knuckle as the first and progressing towards the end of the finger.) the other fingers arent curled or anything, just bent. it should be noted that i originally used the angry fist method, but somehow changed to this. ive lived in southern california all my life so i havent been changed by some local influence. also, when im driving and i get pissed, i revert back to the angry fist mode quite often but i use the casual method in most situations.

ive also noticed that the halfassed method is also used in the breakfast club.

Guest
April 8, 2005 at 12:31 pm

Meneer Spaghetti wrote:
In Holland we do not give anyone ‘the finger’ because the one you insult might be a foreigner with lots of foreign friends coming after you and stabbing you.

Oh Goddamn, even here on a US site… Keep your stupid racist comments on stormfront.org. f-face.

I usually do it Karen style. I’m from the Netherlands.

Norge for nordmenn
April 8, 2005 at 12:42 pm

Well… I’m from Norway, (so the grammar sucks) and I use the first style… But one of my friends said that that way was only for Nazis, so he does it in karens way.. he said that it was the “city way” :p But usually we don’t give the finger.. we give the whole fist.

Private Whore
April 8, 2005 at 12:47 pm

Dude, wtf. It’s true. If you look at their girlfriend they’ll go like: “Yo man, you looking at my girlfriend?” and when you deny they say “What, are you saying my girlfriend is ugly? Come here, I’ll kick the living tar out of you.”

Meneer Spaghetti
April 8, 2005 at 12:52 pm

Anonymous wrote:

Meneer Spaghetti wrote:
In Holland we do not give anyone ‘the finger’ because the one you insult might be a foreigner with lots of foreign friends coming after you and stabbing you.

Oh Goddamn, even here on a US site… Keep your stupid racist comments on stormfront.org. f-face.

I usually do it Karen style. I’m from the Netherlands.

I am just making fun, lighten up! Ofcourse they’re not all bad :wink:

delicatedisarray
April 8, 2005 at 1:23 pm

Hmm… I live in Arkansas- although I am originaly from California. I don’t do it either of those ways. Its most similar to your first method though. I do not clench my fist up like that method, I keep it loose.

The generalization about women doing it the wimpy way is shit. Most of the females I see doin it- myself included- are very open about it. If you’ve pissed her off enough to get her to give the bird, then shes going to make sure its seen.

masshysteria
April 8, 2005 at 1:32 pm

Insanely, I’ve had this discussion with my friends before and incredibly, I’ve found that more often than not, smokers use the “Karen Method” rather than then traditional. Of course, that may not always apply, but among a group of about 25 people I asked, sure enough, the smokers used the “Karen Method”. I have no idea what this means and/or any relevance whatsoever. But hey, rock on.

Guest
April 8, 2005 at 1:36 pm

If you’re angry enough to flick somebody off, why bother giving them a finger? Just go ahead and give them the whole fist…preferably to somewhere that hurts. That’s how my friends and I settle things :)

That’s a good ole’ southern high school for you

Disastranort
April 8, 2005 at 1:46 pm

What the hell is that??!! Im from England and I’v never seen any1 do some sorta crazy finger symbol like that!! Fuck You! means Fuck You! not some sorta lame finger gesture. Personaly, I wouldn’t even b offended if some1 swore at me that way! I would feel sorry 4 them and teach how to properly tell some1 to fuck off!!
Tell Karen she needs a lesson in finger gesturing!! :?

Raistlin
April 8, 2005 at 1:55 pm

Heh heh… I’ve only seen one other person use what will surely go down in urban culture lore as the “Karen method”, and that person is…

I’m Irish, and we don’t tend to have any particular kind of insult… a popular one, however, is to oppose your fingers and thumb and simulate masturbation in mid-air, denopting the insultee as a “wanker” :)

Elvira
April 8, 2005 at 2:10 pm

man i’m from norway too ;) i never saw anyone do it the open-fist way. actually only place i ever seen that was in an eminem-video.

aaand — he’s from the north, i guess. :P

Too Lazy to Sign Up
April 8, 2005 at 3:11 pm

Since when is Florida even part of “The South”. While many will ook at a map and clearly see that it is geographically located at the southeastern US, it still doesn’t count. Such a large percentage of the population in FL consists of northerners that got sick of the cold or nearing death, the culture is distinctly different in most areas. When I moved from New Hampshire to Florida (Clearwater area) I didn’t notice much difference. When I moved from FL to Tennessee, I really went south…

helen
April 8, 2005 at 3:15 pm

I do it the way I learned from my friend Jason in middle school. Hold up your clenched fist first then flick up your middle finger hard, like it was spring-loaded. I’m from Vermont. My husband, who was born in Wyoming, spent his childhood in Arizona, and ended up in New York turns giving the finger into a whole obnoxious production using both fists, doing can-can music sound effects, and making his middle fingers ‘dance’ – at least when he’s flipping me or his friends off. In the car or someplace like that he’s much more utilitarian, but a fist clencher still.

XTG
April 8, 2005 at 3:18 pm

well, i’m from portugal and around here Karen’s way is more popular, although both are valid.

VastVoodoo
April 8, 2005 at 3:26 pm

I never knew Alien Loves Predator was such an international hit. very cool.

I’m from Chicago, and here we use the clenched fist method. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone use the open hand way of flipping someone off.

Except this one time when I was in Holland, and this guy calling himself Meneer Spaghetti flipped me off. So my foreign friends and I stabbed him.

Xeno.Morph
April 8, 2005 at 3:31 pm

Anonymous wrote:

Meneer Spaghetti wrote:
In Holland we do not give anyone ‘the finger’ because the one you insult might be a foreigner with lots of foreign friends coming after you and stabbing you.

Oh Goddamn, even here on a US site… Keep your stupid racist comments on stormfront.org. f-face.

I usually do it Karen style. I’m from the Netherlands.

Damnit. On the internet, everyone is the same faceless somebody. You going to be racist to them!? In Holland, foreigners mean Canadians AND USians. AND aliens. Damnit, you can see some pretty scary strangers. Piss off an alien and the whole hive will come after ya. (I don’t like to say “American” much because technically Canadians are “American” because the whole dogdamn tectonic plate is called North American and two entire continents make up America. I <4 Canadia)

Anyways, on topic…

You guys need to ALL TAKE LESSONS IN GIVING THE FINGER FROM THE FOLLOWING SITE.

http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail24.html

I mean, what’s wrong with pumping your arm when hitting the inside of your elbow with your other hand? Or biting your thumb? Or flicking your chin? Or just yelling a string of curse-words just barely making sense?

Or just being civilized and not doing any of the above?

Guest
April 8, 2005 at 3:32 pm

ah’m ah suth’ner ahn weh yoo’slay jes lah ah thumb oen ah fahst ahn thahd fengahs ahn leht ah penkah kinda hang thar.

Xeno.Morph
April 8, 2005 at 3:34 pm

Anonymous wrote:
ah’m ah suth’ner ahn weh yoo’slay jes lah ah thumb oen ah fahst ahn thahd fengahs ahn leht ah penkah kinda hang thar.

Come again?

“Southerners” watch the same TV as “Northerners,” so what the hell!?

SOMEONE TELL ME A LINK TO DOWNLOAD STARGAZER!

Guest
April 8, 2005 at 4:02 pm

Canadians may be on North America but we sure not Americans. Its a pride thing for us. The only thing that makes us unique is we aren’t something…. We need that so please don’t take that away from us. Although if you are just going to drop the North out, then wouldn’t anyone down in South America be American too?
And remember the French are just funny speaking Germans since, you know, they live in each others’ backyards.

Guest
April 8, 2005 at 4:04 pm

Oh yeah, and from Western Canada its the full thing baby, fist with the middle standing tall. I find it even a little hard just to do the “Karen Style”.

Sour

AdamFirstMan
April 8, 2005 at 4:11 pm

I just really think it represents ones willpower or vehemence, the “full finger” is what it should be, an angry hateful sign of rage. That “other finger” is just showing a lack of willpower and therefore is more subservient, making it weak…

Guest
April 8, 2005 at 4:32 pm

from holland: the finger has to be strong overhere, we (the dutch!) can save dyks with it. so if jou top this let me know.

Quote:

Mavs
April 8, 2005 at 5:16 pm

Meneer Spaghetti wrote:
In Holland we do not give anyone ‘the finger’ because the one you insult might be a foreigner with lots of foreign friends coming after you and stabbing you.

That’s friggin’ hilarious, dude. I nearly did a spit-take! L, O, freaking L!

I’ve seen both types of birds here in SoCal (Southern California for all you “Non-Cal” types ^_~). Personally, I do the whole “biting of the thumb” thing just to confuse people. I might start doing it the UK way for the same reason. Flipping people off in odd ways is fun!

Hedge Knight
April 8, 2005 at 6:06 pm

Sour! What’s up! How’s Scotland?
It’s hedgeknight from Canada! (we all know each other)
Well, I’m with bernieh and sour, in that I believe in the full-fisted method, but I was on our public rail system last week when seven odd strangers and myself had this same discussion waiting for the track to clear. The southern ‘slack’ method is used by smokers because the fag can be shifted closer to the webbing between your fingers and the salute can be delivered without dropping anything. Also, by flicking all fingers forward but tensing the three normally held back, it can be delivered quickly and in a carefree fashion.
As to the English ‘V’, during the hundred year war, use of the long bow (it did not come to be known by this name until much later) enjoyed massive popularity among the commons. It was a veritable spectator sport. As youth, boys would pick up tremendous skill hunting game and in practice, and would learn, through intuition, how to put an arrow through a woman’s bracelet from over one hundred fifty yards away with a six foot bowstave and a string which required over 150 pounds of force to pull (the length of the bow meant that one could not aim by looking down the arrow shaft). Having a pool of potential soldiery which encompassed almost almost all of the working class, almost all of which had achieved years worth of mastery of a weapon meant that the English Kings were fully able to back up their claim to France’s crown. French Knights, until then the creme of western battlefields, had no tactical response to large formations of simple peasants armed thus, and before the battle of Agincourt, it was boasted that any captured archers would have their fingers cut off. When the English won, the archers simply made the gesture to say with irony “Oh look! They’re still here! We’re amazed!”

Guest
April 8, 2005 at 6:17 pm

I’m from the South, we’ve got a lot of different ways of doing that. o_O; My friend from Colombia uses the full fist method, except his thumb is like.. visible over his forefinger. I personally do it closer to the other version, but my ring and pinky fingers are drawn down all the way and my thumb sticks straight out.

XD Woo, anatomy of the bird!

Amorymeltzer
April 8, 2005 at 6:34 pm

I’ve always noticed the difference myself. I do it the proper way, and living in NYC most people I know do it the right way.

However, Karen’s way, I’ve noticed, is also very fitting at a punk rock concert. That kind of finger works very well there.

I, too, have a friend named Karen who flips people off that way. I try to teach her how to do it normally. She sucks.

XenoMorph
April 8, 2005 at 6:42 pm

Anonymous wrote:
Canadians may be on North America but we sure not Americans. Its a pride thing for us. The only thing that makes us unique is we aren’t something…. We need that so please don’t take that away from us. Although if you are just going to drop the North out, then wouldn’t anyone down in South America be American too?
And remember the French are just funny speaking Germans since, you know, they live in each others’ backyards.

Just because I feel like conserving my posts for the hundredth comic, (I’m gonna have my hundredth post on it XD) I am using a guest post. Whee. Anywho…

Yeah, that above quote is basically what I said but without all the funny. The funny that is me. And the pretty. I feel so pretty, I feel so pretty, I feel so pretty and witty and GAAAAAY…. *Ahem.*

What distinguishes Canadians from “Americans?” Well, for one thing, we don’t have a McDonalds every sixty feet. Nor do we shake the ground when we walk. And up here, we have bread instead of biscuits and buns all the time. Also, our french fries. We put vinegar instead of mayonaise on them. And poutine. Poutine is great. I went to the States for a bit and I like the Popeye’s Chicken… But the corn sucked and the gravy for the mashed potatoes was watery and had raw beef stuff in it… And the guy at the cash register’s name was Krypton… Yeah… I like punctuation… zzz… What!? Oh, yeah, ranting. French people aren’t funny speaking Germans. Germans are funny speaking lemons. Lemons are funny speaking englishmen. Englishmen are funny speaking Guests. Umm, I think I just burned someone.

Ah, well, I’m going to guest-post until Monday to conserve my post number thingymabob so my hundredth post will be on next friday. BERNIE, DON’T DISAPPOINT US!

XenoMorph
April 8, 2005 at 6:46 pm

OI! IS ANYONE EVER GOING TO POST A LINK SO I CAN DOWNLOAD STARGAZER!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??????????????????

I posted a link for Linkin’ Park in the last forum, you owe meh!

Guest
April 8, 2005 at 7:06 pm

I’m from the DEFINITIVE blue state, Massachusetts. Most people around here do it the clenched fist way, although I’ve seen a lot of people do that + the thumb sticking out. I do it the way that guy from Georgia said he did, kinda a combination of the two.

Hmm, maybe the north and south ain’t so different after all.

And excuse me, it’s McDonalds every OTHER sixty feet. In between those we have Burger Kings. And sometimes a KFC-Taco Bell combo.

Damn, we’s unhealthy. XD

Mavs
April 8, 2005 at 7:47 pm

Mayo on fries? YUCK!

Ranch or Ketchup maybe…but mayo belongs in tuna sandwiches and etc.

Yes, I have Ranch dressing w/ my fries…it’s not bad w/ pizza either.

Monsieur Spaghetti
April 8, 2005 at 8:01 pm

So many problems being caused by foreigners… So many foreigners, so little Dutch. Mmmmokay :lol:
Wazzooo… don’t hate foreigners… Those foreigners would see me like a foreigner. So if the foreigners say: “Hey! Those foreigners cause problems!” I would say: “Hey! YOU ARE A FOREIGNER YOU SCHMUCK!”
They would say: “No! You are a foreigner!” I would say: “NO Bucky! I am Dutch!” They would say: “I am not, so you are a foreigner!” I would say: “Damn… my head hurts!”

Jackson Marten
April 8, 2005 at 8:13 pm

I like today’s comic. It gave me a new forum icon.

God bless America!
:twisted:

Meneer Spaghetti
April 8, 2005 at 8:19 pm

Dammit Jim! I am only a Belgian hairdresser who likes cookies, talks to a dog, live’s with his mummie and needs to knock on the door because the buzzer wasn’t working! GERTJUUUH!

WarriorShaman
April 8, 2005 at 10:33 pm

http://warriorshaman.blogspot.com/

Patrick
April 8, 2005 at 10:34 pm

Bash wrote:
Well you’re all wrong. The best way to flip someone off is the good ol’ British way…. The V-sign. That’s your first and middle finger raised, pointing towards the swearee. Opposite of the Churchill ‘V for victory.’

There is actually a more or less reasonable historical explanation. (this is all a story i was told once, so it might not be true, but somehow it sounds like a true story to me). anyway. here goes the story:

in medieval times, archers captured by their enemies would have the first and the middle finger cut off. this would render them useless since they could not shoot arrows anymore. so if some archers did manage to get away from their enemies or maybe find shelten in a castle or so, they would show those two fingers to their enemies to signal them something along the lines of “there you go, bitchface, i still have my two fingers”

now if you believe this story or not, is your thing, but at least it’s a clear explanation and not some kind of silly “i always flick people like that thing”

Guest
April 8, 2005 at 10:40 pm

Anonymous wrote:

The back of the two-fingers is a United Kingdom gesture that supposedly comes from medieval times, when English longbowmen were often used, with devastating effect, against French troops. As a result, whenever English archers were captured, they had their index and middle fingers cut off, so they could never shoot again. In response, English archers would raise their two fingers before a battle, to mock the French, saying, essentially, “Haha, we still have our fingers.” Again, how valid this is, I don’t know, but it’s a common legend. I have to say, though, that while the story is interesting, it’s pretty lame in its meaning. You’re teasing someone because they haven’t amputated one of your body parts yet

Hmm, that would make more sense if the English had been amputating French fingers. “If you’re not dead, you’re losing these two fingers.”

Jackson Marten
April 8, 2005 at 10:56 pm

Anonymous wrote:
The back of the two-fingers is a United Kingdom gesture that supposedly comes from medieval times,

During a trip to Toronto, one of my friends wanted to wave his two fingers at some Canadians, hoping it would piss them off. Another friend, hearing of this plan, replied:

“Canadians don’t know what the hell that means. You might as well say, ‘Weigh your balls? Weigh your balls?’ as you do it, dumbass.”

DarkLite
April 8, 2005 at 11:09 pm

Essentially, the V fingers were used in medieval times just to piss off the French.

By sticking the V fingers up, English archers were essentially taunting the French, saying “Hah, cut these off if you can!”

Cos, you know, England rocks.

jennif
April 8, 2005 at 11:49 pm

The only time I ever see the finger here in New York are when the cab drivers do it (when New Yorkers want to say f you, they just say f you), and they all do it the “right” way!

~j

mattz1010
April 9, 2005 at 6:50 am

Aramor wrote:
I always do it the fist way. It’s way easier.

I did notice this way of giving somone the finger the other way in the movie “Twelve Monkeys”.

Yay! Twelve Monkeys!

James Cole(slaw).

I’ve never seen anyone from Canada do this… Then again, I’m in Toronto

mattz1010 (again)
April 9, 2005 at 7:00 am

AND I woulda used this middle finger thing in my comic…. if this one had existed earlier :(

Godai
April 9, 2005 at 9:11 am

Erm, man, yer one sick fuck. And it’s no offence intended whatsoever.

I’ve been reading ALP for some time now, it’s one of the places you keep coming back to, no matter what. Let’s say you’re my hero, even if she (whatever the bond might be and the fact I personally hate USA) shows no right finger :)

Keep on rocking.

Regards from the old continent,

Godai

foskco1
April 9, 2005 at 11:30 am

yeah we call it the lazy bird or white trash bird here in louisiana.

Guest
April 9, 2005 at 12:57 pm

It’s actually more difficult to do it Karen’s way. Now I dont know what that says about the south; harder working or nothing to do so they practice flipping people off like that. But at the same time thats the way I do it too.

mbunification army
April 9, 2005 at 3:36 pm

Best. Thread. Ever.

Other than [url]http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1556673, that is.

(For the record, I think the clenched fist is for rednecks and those who are really pissed off, us city folks make sure the index and ring fingers are bent 90 degrees at the second knuckle.)

Let Your Mango Free
April 9, 2005 at 7:47 pm

Well, you could just stick out your tongue and call them a poopy pants.

I like the British ‘V’, you can flip them off with vigour and possibly break your wrist if you’re really enthusiastic. Or, like, flash them with the word ‘FUCK YOU’ written on your genitals, or maybe that’s just me.

Dom
April 10, 2005 at 12:50 am

I do the fist finger, for the only reason that it means “get away from me or I’ll hit you”… and my fist is ready to go on the way to the face of the finger-receiver. :twisted:

When someone gives me the other finger type, I just laugh and it does not even piss me off

General Grievous
April 10, 2005 at 1:42 am

I use the fist way. Then I kick whoever it is btween the legs. Short and sweet.

Guest
April 10, 2005 at 4:33 am

I have to disagree with all of my fellow Canadians and their “Canadians use the Karen style” comments. I use a kind of modified clenched-fist finger (I broke my index finger in high school football, and haven’t been able to make a proper fist since then). And everyone else I’ve met has used the fist-style.

I dunno, maybe the other Canadians are from the eastern provinces… in which case they’re not really Canadians. They’re just people with funny accents.

Especially Quebecers.

XenoMorph
April 10, 2005 at 8:38 am

Anonymous wrote:
I have to disagree with all of my fellow Canadians and their “Canadians use the Karen style” comments. I use a kind of modified clenched-fist finger (I broke my index finger in high school football, and haven’t been able to make a proper fist since then). And everyone else I’ve met has used the fist-style.

I dunno, maybe the other Canadians are from the eastern provinces… in which case they’re not really Canadians. They’re just people with funny accents.

Especially Quebecers.

OI! You making fun of Ontario lad? I’ll give you a swift kick to the knickerbockers if ye are!

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XenoMorph
April 10, 2005 at 8:52 am

Hey, I just thought of something. How many five-year olds do you think you could take on?

Gaviano
April 10, 2005 at 10:23 am

Seeing Karen’s “bird” put me in mind of Mollie Ringwald’s gesture to Judd Nelson in “The Breakfast Club”. Now, while the film is set in an Illinois suburb, Mollie herself is from Roseville, CA. us.imdb.com’s trivia section of the film does not reveal whether Mollie was instructed to give a “Karen” or whether John Hughes let her add her own artistic interpretation on the signage. As a direct result of this oversight, I have nothing relevant to add to this thread. Sorry.

Hedge Knight
April 10, 2005 at 6:29 pm

Of course I can’t speak for all Canadians, (except when I say that we’re not Americans [for which we rock]) but I certainly recognize the two fingered salute. But seeing the number of posts about the origins of the ‘V’ tells me two things: There are plenty of us who are aware of it (however debatable our mastery of the facts) and no one reads the preceding posts which have already explained where it came from and have nothing to add. Maybe we like to repeat ourselves. I just like to hear myself speak, so whether or not I’m anything of interest is a purely intellectual consideration at the edges of my consciousness. Consciousness. What a great word. So many rules and exceptions in the english language. Language. That’s a word of many roots. Roots of trees are descended from a single seed, not separate progenitors of a single entity. I like trees. Trees are brown. Some are grey. I like white ones. I draw them all the time. Is it time for lunch? I make a great sandwich. But first I think I’ll draw. I’ll draw a tree. And a sandiwich.

Captain Sexy
April 11, 2005 at 1:37 am

Fucking right, I’m gonna gave some grits.

*North Carolinian and PROUD*

General Grievous
April 11, 2005 at 8:42 am

The middle finger is xspecially useful 4 fingering my girlfriend. It goes in deeper than any of the other fingers.

Wrightgirl
April 11, 2005 at 9:14 am

Elvira wrote:
man i’m from norway too ;) i never saw anyone do it the open-fist way. actually only place i ever seen that was in an eminem-video.

aaand — he’s from the north, i guess. :P

Yeah, hes from the north, nice guy, met him a few times…I live near him right now…(go Michigan!) but I do closed fist, and not that often….

shesinparties
April 11, 2005 at 11:43 am

I use the lazy type. I tend to be doing something when a flippable offense occurs, and I dont like to interrupt what I’m doing to properly scorn someone.
In my part of California we just about say hello with a raised middle finger.

Guest
April 11, 2005 at 7:04 pm

Hedge Knight wrote:
Of course I can’t speak for all Canadians, (except when I say that we’re not Americans [for which we rock]) but I certainly recognize the two fingered salute. But seeing the number of posts about the origins of the ‘V’ tells me two things: There are plenty of us who are aware of it (however debatable our mastery of the facts) and no one reads the preceding posts which have already explained where it came from and have nothing to add. Maybe we like to repeat ourselves. I just like to hear myself speak, so whether or not I’m anything of interest is a purely intellectual consideration at the edges of my consciousness. Consciousness. What a great word. So many rules and exceptions in the english language. Language. That’s a word of many roots. Roots of trees are descended from a single seed, not separate progenitors of a single entity. I like trees. Trees are brown. Some are grey. I like white ones. I draw them all the time. Is it time for lunch? I make a great sandwich. But first I think I’ll draw. I’ll draw a tree. And a sandiwich.

You’re my kind of ranter. Rant. Is there a root word for rant? Like the root of a square? Are you square? I’m roughly humanoid shaped. But seventeen feet tall. And with a huge headplate. Four tails… Four arms… SHUT UP! I didn’t lose my marbles, the leprechauns took them from me. I’m listening to an awesome midi file called Echoes. Pretty freaky in some parts. You can listen to it too at my site…

http://www.freewebs.com/xenomorphs/hivecommunicationchatpoll.htm

Look, an advertisement. Meh. *Shrug.* Hmm… Asterisk e-shrug asterisk. I like to talk like a nerd in real life. Like say something funny happens. I yell L O L! But, only if I’m trying to compound the funniness with my own geeky humour. It makes my friends laugh. If they don’t, they get hosted.

I was walking up the stairs, when I saw a man that wasn’t there.
He wasn’t there again today, I wish I wish he’d go away.

After a ghost walk of a town near where I live, we slept on a haunted ship. We as in cadets. Anyways, after lights out I whispered to my “room mate” on the other bunk bed across the small room the above poem. Then, later, when I was on watch, she was still kinda freaked out and told me to tell it to anotehr friend of mine. So I did. And it’s funny because to this day whenever I start to say it, the second friend covers her ears. I’m not naming names because they might be reading this. They’re always watching. I’m always ranting. And having my marbles stolen by leprechauns. Oh ehm gee!

XenoMorph
April 11, 2005 at 7:07 pm

DOG DAMNIT! I FORGOT TO PUT MY NAME ON THE ABOVE POST! Grr. If anyone tries to say the above post is theirs, I’ll punch ‘em. You can kinda tell it’s mine because http://www.freewebs.com/xenomorphs/hivecommunicationchatpoll.htm is a link to MY website.

Jimmmy
April 11, 2005 at 8:25 pm

well…. In Mexico, we’re used to see both types of fingers… but we usually see, and throw the finger in Karen’s way… as you said it before… the way of the south…

Jimmmy.

“Viva México Cabrones!!!”

Guest
April 13, 2005 at 3:01 am

Well, seeing as the middle finger is supposed to represent a cock…I guess that tells us a LOT about how them southern boys ain’t got what it takes, sugah.

Grunt
June 23, 2005 at 5:04 am

Anonymous wrote:
I have to say, though, that while the story is interesting, it’s pretty lame in its meaning. You’re teasing someone because they haven’t amputated one of your body parts yet.

No you didn’t have to say that. Anyway, its more like “we’re about to kill 10,000 of you with our arrows”. Without raping the corpses, I can’t think of a better way to say “fuck you” to france (without attempting to convince someone that your hand is like, y’know, your wang. I mean, what, its that small?).

Unless of course you wanted to talk about Trafalgar. French and Spanish got a good rodgering there. Or Waterloo perhaps, this time with the help of the Prussians.

battbride
June 25, 2005 at 10:41 pm

I love your strip.

In Oz we always use the clenched fist and consider the other way to be very American

nemfx
October 8, 2005 at 10:00 am

Does/has she ever cut? You damage tendons when you do, all of the people I know that have cut flip people off like your friend. People that flip off like you are usually not cutters, so they have their tendons intact. Maybe you should inquire more?

Your voice of reason,
NemFX

Mjulinir
June 25, 2008 at 9:43 pm

Yep. I’m from South Carolina and i do it the second way. So do most of the people I know…those who I’ve seen give someone the finger.

Tammy
May 25, 2009 at 6:18 am

I’m Australian, I had honestly never seen someone not use the clenched fist method until I was eight and went on a holiday to America. I just stared at the guy and asked if what he was doing, after all it’s hard to tell if someone is giving you the finger the other way, and when you are really pissed at them then it’s two fingers in a V shape. I mean it means basically ‘up-yours’ and if you think about it logically the pissy little second style isn’t really saying that.
Love the comic.

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