But speaking seriously, I’d like to answer your points…
2) As i said before this is something beyond God (if can I say that…), is balance and nature. Not only christians say this, all religions have this, even asian philosophies like buddhists and confucianism adopt this. This is not FOR HIM, This is for YOU. Any rule and commandment are for your own good. Actually if you want to meet him, it is impossible without a pure heart. And this rules even if you want to meet him on Earth… anyway, you don’t believe, so what a shame =P
3) Condom effectiveness was scientifically proven in pregnancy but there is a question mark about aids… yeah, yeah, I know that this sounds religiously geek, but scientific methods used by NIH are in doubt yet. (I’m tired too to get in details and pasting links of scientific papers here..)
But even if it stops aids, (and this is known and proven) it doesn’t stop other STD transmittable by cutaneous contact like Papillomavirus and Genital Herpes (now there are some ads about it, haha, "I have GeNiTaL herpes"), and these two are still incurable, and if not treated you can get sterile. (or worse)
And speaking in a bigger picture, if condoms are the main point of a health policy, it will fail irremediably. It is not a health problem, it is a behaviour problem, a social problem with consequences in health. And that can’t be stopped with latex membranes. Just as cigarettes.
4) oh, yeah, I didn’t think about that… =P
5) Well, I’m not one of those who think that jerking off you are killing little men, or homunculus (yeah, that’s a funny age in science history). Actually the problem comes with the Purity itself, so it’s a whole bigger picture that engloves chastity, and the meaning of sex itself. As I see you are not interested in all this, I’ll make it simplier but probably you won’t be able to get the deepness (and wisdom) of this.
I’ll give a try. Did you know that actually the seven deadly sins are not sins by itself? Are just Bad Habits. These bad habits are the causes of sins or what eventually will push us to sin. And as everybody know, a bad habit makes us slaves. A downward spiral.
To counteract this bad habits we have what we call Virtues.
Example Lust Is a bad habit (a.k.a. one of the 7th deadly sins).
Sometimes these bad habits are not the causes, but the consequences of our sins. These sins are like little roots that feeds this gigantic climbing plant that suffocates our freedom. So cutting these sins one by one we can be released from our bad habits.

You know what is more interesting than this? That some bad habits are connected with others, and getting rid of one can help a lot to the next one.
I think there is something in common with macroeconomy, you’ll never see the whole picture unless someone explains to you, even the more slight modification of variables can change everything and common mortals won’t believe that or won’t understand. And what you first believed that nothing had to do with it, once you get it you can see that everything is related with all.

I’m sure there is a simplier way to explain it, I’m sorry, I’m reading Kafka… and honestly I’m relly tired… and my brain is making connections that only I can understand, I think… sorry I think I’ll give up… =P
Maybe next time…

PS:
The moral of the story is, masturbation is one sin, not an important one just like sex (not in the right time, extramarital, etc…). But ties our toes and blind us from the purity of God, as any other sin.

PS2: have you read the small prints in the masturbation leaflet? you know what having one or two there actually there is no health impact. But as I said before, sex is addictive, actually there is a syndrome called sexual addiction syndrome. Actually having only one dose of cocaine doesn’t do anything (apart of getting high… of course).
And some recent researches (i don’t remember the state of the research) that relates masturbation with psychogenic sexual dysfunction, although others say that it could help in prostate cancer… anyway…
I always say, lets see the whole picture people, the whole picture.
As in economics, the second richest guy is Warren Buffet (ok, here I am again with my crazy relations… I need some sleep)

See ya guys,
Daniel
Fake Korean, Fake Argentinian, Authentic Banana.

Ps: by the way, Alien Loves Predator rulez! :)
Ps2: this time I’m really tired to check grammar, spellings and yadda, sorry

having said that, i would so LOVE to go into some of the finer points of your OMFGLONG post, but i am very tired. i just have to get some things off my chest:
1) nice grammar :wink:
2) why should i stay abstinent for a god i don’t even think exists? (notice how i say "i think" instead of just stating it like a fact)
3) condoms can stop AIDS (at least to ninety-something% effectiveness). they are literally a wall between the schlong and the plumbing. just because too many people are uneducated dimwit fucktards that can’t use them properly doesn’t mean they don’t work (btw, uncorrect usage of natural methods makes those ineffective too! OMFG, WHAT???) and as has already been stated the pill is effective to 99,9%, so pwned natural methods :D
4) of course michael douglas’ sex was amazing, IT WAS CATHERINE ZETA JONES!
5)do you really think jerking off is evil, or not "integral"? it’s basic, healthy and helps to get to know your body, what you like, what you don’t like etc

unwanted pregnancies occur, but they are often due to a lack of knowledge of the subject and poor judgement. you don’t have to be abstinent, just responsible. of course, if you are one of the dimwitted fucktards described above, for heaven’s sake, stay abstinent!
(i don’t mean to insult people who want to stay abstinent, if i did so i’m sorry.)

The good thing about learning to wait and to respect the times of a girl is to understand ourselves and our bodies.
Why premarital sex is not good? Actually the answer is not for people that don’t care about love. Or for those who understand that love is the same as being "in love".

And I personally know people gave a try to this abstinence stuff until marriage (and weren’t virgin nor saints at all), and they can tell the great difference in their relationship.
One well-known couple was Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta Jones, she is Roman Catholic, he’s half-jewish. It seems that she insisted in this abstinece madness and he accepted. After marriage he said that the sex he had was amazing.

Ok, some people can consider this as the discharge of a surpressed urge, like not eating candies before dinner. Very possible. But the question here is not the physical pleasure, is the union of the souls.
Before marriage, we hang around and date with several girls at the same time and suddenly there is a girl with whom we fall in love. First of all, we think we are quite objective but everybody else can note that we act like idiots. But we don’t realize, why is that? There is something true in this saying: love is blind.
I bet that not many people ask themselves in a relationship if they really, REALLY know who’s that guy sitting in the other side of the table.
Is Everything ok?, then there is nothing to worry about. True?. Big error.
People are more interested to have a good time and to have fun instead of knowing each other. We feel that we are compatibles, and butterflies are all around.
And what happens then? suddenly the love has gone, she’s not more interesting. But it is already late, he’s children and is married with that stranger. It is not fun anymore. You are not ‘in love’ anymore, and you couldn’t forge love.

This blindness and idealization of the person is inevitable, we see what we want to see. Pheromones, Chemically compatibility and all that bullshit are strong enough to bring our attention to that girl.
Plus we are horny.
Have you ever tried to solve a question or think about paying bills when you are horny? Can Abe think anything else but sex?
And after all we fall in disgrace and we have sex.
Ok, now after the falling: at this level it is much difficult to think clearly, and it is much harder to know each other deeply. Why? Sex IS SO GREAT. If before we couldn’t see a candle in the dark, how can we see it now with a 10000w reflector in front of our eyes? Everything else is second importance.
And that’s the consequence when sex is not done inside the parameters that were made for, and love and sex are splitted. Nowdays sex is not for reproduction, increasing love and for union of the couple.
Sex is for fun. Sex is for pleasure.

What are the common denominator of Alcohol, Drugs, Gambling, Sex and Cigarettes?
First, all of above makes money.
Second, all of above are addictive
Third, All of above makes money BECAUSE are addictive.
Note: Addiction annhiliates freedom, free will.
Note2: In all these cases weakness, emptiness and ego are a market.

What happens when Alcohol is not controlled, when drugs are abused?
It becomes addictive. The same with sex. We can’t think another thing but sex. It becomes an obsession. Nowdays it is normal to hear that someone is like crazy because he didn’t stick it for three months. And if you can’t hold it, lets jerk off. Do you really think that it can be called integrity, a balanced mind?

Do you think it is really nicotine patches will help people stop smoking?
Do you think that fewer doses of drugs (alcohol included) will help those addicts?
Do you think that condoms will stop aids?

Agreeing with any of them is simply foolish. But it is quite interesting how people can shout easily "of course not" for the two first but not in the last one.

That’s why Chastity and Premarital Abstinance IS necessary.
It brings balance in our impulses. It powers our will. Gives real freedom, you can choose. It is not repression and is here where people get it all wrong. There are too many disinformation about everything and for some groups this is very beneficial.
As an example, for most of you the Natural way of contraception was an absurd and very ineffective. The information I got in the very beginning of this now very long post is supported by the WHO, World Health Organization. Probably you guys never heard about Billings and that Synto-something, and the less the people know about this, the less choices they have, the better for the condom, UIDs, pills, yadda, yadda and abortive companies. Even more some gynecologists don’t know what the hell is a Syntothermic method, and still think that natural methods are not effective. THIS IS ABSURD.

This natural way of contraception kills two birds with one stone. It helps us to mantain a rythm, we get to know not only our own body but the partner’s too and helps the dialogue and union of the couple. It is highly effective and is free.
All natural get balanced. After all, following nature is a way of following God, whether you have a religion or not.

So the answers for Why to Wait?
To get to know your partner better and save headaches later.
To get to know what’s the real LOVE, be less blind and don’t make irreversible mistakes afterwards (like unwanted pregnancy and abortion)
To get balanced and be an Integral person.
To avoid STD.
To keep your ass out of hell
To have amazing sex in your honey moon. (ok, if you are virgin maybe you need some kamasutra books)

See you,
Daniel

imrumpf wrote:
This is for you, Digitaaliklosetti. It’s a very cheesy, crappy version with words so you can get the gist of it. No laughing please! :p

Yeah yeah i know I spelt Rhythm wrong…i’m just too lazy to fix it now…

if you made that i think your talented!

desert_drum wrote:

munan wrote:

And yes, I think we should register it… could be fun, especially now that http://www.conspiracy.org is out (it used to be a very funny site, though, some evil puppet master telling he ruled the world)

It isn’t too long, anyway. The cutoff seems to be 63 letters, which means I could stuff another few words in there :)

um…… yea

munan wrote:

And yes, I think we should register it… could be fun, especially now that http://www.conspiracy.org is out (it used to be a very funny site, though, some evil puppet master telling he ruled the world)

It isn’t too long, anyway. The cutoff seems to be 63 letters, which means I could stuff another few words in there :)

But I know we dutch people have a reputation for being quite humorless, miserable bastards, so I can imagine why you thought I didn’t get the joke… 8)

And yes, I think we should register it… could be fun, especially now that http://www.conspiracy.org is out (it used to be a very funny site, though, some evil puppet master telling he ruled the world)

bewtifulfreak wrote:

Well, if it’s any consolation, I believe you…in fact, I was going to suggest to desert_drum that was the case, but then I thought on the off-off chance you weren’t, I’d look like a doof – damn my insecurity! :}

Actually, I was too. I’m beginning to think I need to give up humor as a hobby around here! :cry:

munan wrote:

desert_drum wrote:

munan wrote:

No, you must be mistaken, desert_drum…

I’ve tried it, but that url leads to nothing… (which is a pity, in a way…)

Satirical humor: learn to recognize it on sight, because you’re likely to see a lot of it here. :)

Yeah, well, actually I was playing silly…no really… really… Now how am I going to prove that?

Well, if it’s any consolation, I believe you…in fact, I was going to suggest to desert_drum that was the case, but then I thought on the off-off chance you weren’t, I’d look like a doof – damn my insecurity! :}

munan wrote:

Yeah, well, actually I was playing silly…no really… really… Now how am I going to prove that?

I wonder if the name’s too long to register…. :twisted: